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flying-saucer really standing in the

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Clery he turned over to my father and

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Willis your host and happy new year

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everyone this is our first show of 2017

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tonight's guest is Harry Drew and we're

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gonna be talking about the supposed

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Kingman crash in Arizona came in Arizona

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and before that we have Alejandro Rojas

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coming up with UFO news I want to thank

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Standard Time alejandro how is it going

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from kingman arizona all the way to coma

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philadelphia Atlanta LA I know people

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are gonna be thinking of that during

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your show here wow that was pretty good

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yeah yeah yeah don't don't you think

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that's what I always think of when

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people bring up the Kingman UFO but I am

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doing well I have survived the new year

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and I I lived to see 2017 and what it

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may have in store so that's that's for

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better or worse that's what's going down

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oh and before we get into the news I do

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want to tell everyone that you myself

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and the great Lise Spiegel did a year in

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review 2016 and that is on open minds

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and I'll actually have I think I'm going

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to be able to put an embeddable player

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on my sidebar of the show as well so

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great show hope our listeners check it

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out it's a year and review with

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Alejandro Rojas myself and least Spiegel

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and that's all yes open mind a lot of

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fun and these these are always really

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fun because we get to review stories

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that we think we're significant that

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most likely the listeners have forgotten

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about some of them they haven't because

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we were so excited we spoke about them

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throughout the year but some of these

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like you even forgot are the same oh you

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happened one so people have to listen to

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hear about that one be yeah my what I

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interesting one we posted today or

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yesterday all right yeah let's hear

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about it let's get into the news UFO

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news did it did it that's my little you

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know news intro I think yeah this was in

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Florida this was a video taken by a guy

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who is a helicopter pilot this was

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December 18th at about 524 p.m. and

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where he is it is still right out so the

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pictures from the video it looked like

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it was like the sky was like but it was

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probably starting to get dark just

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still pretty bright out and of course

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daylight sightings are always exciting

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this guy says he this craft well he felt

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it was a glowing craft at about 1500

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feet in altitude that it flew flew

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across in a straight line and and then

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upward and vanished he took a video with

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his cellphone and you can at the

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beginning of this video see this glowing

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object moving across the sky and then it

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moves into some clouds or towards some

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clouds and he kind of lose sight of it

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it's pretty interesting he says he's a

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certified helicopter pilot and he knows

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it was not a plane helicopter rocket

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meteor birds balloons blimps etc and the

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MUFON investigator who took a look at it

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James Thomas Horan agreed with him this

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is one of the MUFON cases that's posted

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by Roger Marsh and the video is pretty

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interesting you know I saw it at first

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and I thought wow that's a plane but

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then I looked at it and I thought no it

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doesn't look like a plane it the shape

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doesn't seem to be right and I thought

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it was a bird and but I couldn't confirm

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that either and then I thought well

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maybe it's a satellite but because

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sometimes they can't be seen during the

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day so it's it's a really hard call now

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there was a rocket lunch on the day that

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this took place from Florida but at a

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different time and I don't think it

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looks like a rocket doesn't have a trail

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it's not moving like a rocket would move

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hopefully someone some others will take

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a look at it but it's pretty weird and

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the witness is very credible so yeah

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it's an interesting sighting yeah I

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wonder what Mark Dantonio would say

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about this video he always has an answer

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you know it seems that Senna but well

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you saw the video right what did you

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think yeah no I thought it was a it was

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really interesting it didn't look like

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anything that really is explainable you

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know it's sort of a round shape or it

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looked like a round shape and you know

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it now I don't know if it was the trick

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of the video or

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what but it seems to Jack a little bit

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as it moved along it did almost like it

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was tumbling or something I agree with

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was a bird - sometimes the flapping of

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the wings can cause that sort of effect

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and I guess that's but still a

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possibility in my mind right well yeah

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it would have to be kind of low because

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I was moving really fast you know hmm

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yeah but sometimes they can't appear to

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be in a white object it often can be

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difficult to know if it's in front of

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the clouds or even behind the clouds

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yeah because the clouds themselves are

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white so yeah it's it's mysterious right

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well what else is happening the other

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thing and we talked about this a little

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bit but there's some more detail here

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and is that Colonel halt it kind of I've

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been in discussion with him as I think I

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mentioned on your show about this new

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Rendlesham forest witness and it's been

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in the news especially the UK tabloids

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but we posted a full interview that

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Philip mantel did with this guy who says

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he was there in 1980 in late December

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when UFOs were seen over a period of a

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couple days and however his telling

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doesn't necessarily fit with the facts

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set at least that I'm familiar with

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through the many books that have been

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written Colonel halt who is a deputy

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base commander wrote a memo about it you

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know you've had on the show halt even

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recently and any I think you even talked

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about this case yeah and and you

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Penniston and Burroughs some of the

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other witnesses so I'm sure halt

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reviewed some of this with you on your

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show oh I know he did but yeah there are

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a couple issues so for instance long

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Garrow says he went to the forest and he

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saw Warren and he saw Penniston and he

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saw halt there but there was no one time

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where a bunch of people went to the

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forest

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and all of those people were there

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together so there's that's the issue

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with that because even the first night

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he says Larry Warren another guy was out

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there but Larry Warren

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even by his own admission wasn't there

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the first night

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neither was halt but it was Penniston

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kept saying I was kidding around with

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the third guy and Burroughs were the

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three witnesses the only three people

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allowed in the forest the first night so

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it doesn't fit with the first night the

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second night the night that Hulk did go

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out there and took a bunch of men out

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there he said he took men from

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Woodbridge which was a base nearby but

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some miles away from Bentwaters where

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lunk arrow was stationed so hope says he

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wasn't part of that group

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so he's like doubtful that Langara was

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out there at all

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long Garrow says how Holt is doubting I

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was there but I was there I got you know

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swear on the life of my children and it

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could be because they did see you know

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objects over the entire area so it could

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be that long Garrow did see objects just

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not out in the forest and not with the

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other guys and he's just remembering it

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wrong and I kind of like to give him the

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benefit of the bat doubt that that's

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probably the case but unfortunately I

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points out this story we posted recently

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the facts don't fit and I do agree with

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hope that the facts are pretty important

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you really especially when you're trying

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to gain credibility you need to be clear

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what the facts are and then someone like

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Lane Garrow has to say well you know

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here's what everybody else says either

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here's my explanation of where I was

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when or like I often have to do with my

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girlfriend his admit that I'm wrong and

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that I remembered things incorrectly and

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she remembered them correctly and I

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apologize I'm just human for goodness

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sakes honey I'm just human can make that

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public is there right here oh yeah I've

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been at public yeah I am officially

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humid

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you know you wonder if there are other

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witnesses that will eventually come out

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and talk about this I know it's a you

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know boy we're getting into you know 30

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some odd years here but yeah you just

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wonder if some people are just keeping

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that situation to themselves and one of

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the things halt said is he he puts this

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thing on a shelf and Natalie you know it

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doesn't make it part of his life and you

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know perhaps there's other people that

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feel that very same way and they don't

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have any initiative to actually talk

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about it well you know one of the

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witnesses I mentioned is like that so

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it's funny halt even says that in his

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story how he didn't want to come out and

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talk about this

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but he's so compelled to make sure the

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facts are straight that he's got to come

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out and say hey you got it wrong you

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know this is what really happened so

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that's what compels him but Caban seg

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the gentleman we we mentioned earlier he

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was one of three people that went out

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the first night the other two have

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spoken quite a bit we've had them at our

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UFO Congress we're gonna have Colonel

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Hall for the second time actually at our

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Congress this year but Caban sake is

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someone who feels like I cool people you

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know what I experienced but I really

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don't want anything to do with this and

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I don't want to talk about it so he's an

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example of someone who just does not

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want to come forward even though he

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could clear up some issues but you know

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also and you can kind of see his point

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clearing up some issues means calling

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some people out and getting in the

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middle of the this fight and these

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battles and he doesn't want to be a part

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of that he doesn't want that kind of

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complication in his life so you're

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probably right I'm sure there are others

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and in a way you can't blame them you

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know why get in the middle of all of it

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and perhaps they're not even paying

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attention to what other people are

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saying it's that far you know yeah from

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their life it's very possible and you

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know Portland Guerra

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I do feel for the guy because if

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he did come out and share and he's just

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remembering things wrong I'm sure he

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feels a bit persecuted but maybe he

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doesn't have a girlfriend who calls him

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out all the time when he gets stuff

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wrong so he's not used to it like like I

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am Yeah right well we have time for

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another one if you have one if not we'll

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just uh we'll call it a night for news

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not really I mean with the holidays and

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everything I don't know that I have

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anything else there were some

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interesting stories in the headlines

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this week so when you go to open mindset

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TV you know you see UFO headlines and

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the stories are listed there so at least

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for yesterday I haven't posted for

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Wednesday yet but for Tuesday there were

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a few interesting sightings so there's

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an Australian one a UK one and these are

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sightings that made it into their

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mainstream media I'm sure they were

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covered inaccurately by the UK tabloids

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but these are ones that are were written

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about by credible news outlets so we

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already have some 2017 sightings yeah

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exactly in fact one of the stories from

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The Herald Express and a UK paper says

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first UFO of 2017 spotted by world UFO

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expert over Newton Abbot oh I saw this

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is it yeah yeah yeah so yep they're even

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making that claim the first of the year

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right

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and we'll be talking to you next week

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all right talk to you soon buddy

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all right okay everyone hang in there

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for this quick music break and we'll be

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harry drew welcome to the show welcome

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yes I'm very pleased to be on how are

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you doing well thank you doing well and

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I had a few people over the last would

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say year or to suggest you on as a guest

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this suppose that I'm calling to suppose

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that crash because there's been you know

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over the years I've seen you know some

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controversy here and there about about

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it and but I understand that you've done

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a lot of really interesting research

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about the whole story before we get into

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any of that well let's hear a little bit

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about you and also what sparked your

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interest in this particular topic well

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I'm interested in the topic because I

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live in the Kingman area and when I

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moved here years ago I was aware of a

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lot of stories about the Kingman UFO and

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claims that it was real claims it was a

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hoax and my background is I am an author

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of over 40 years I'm historian and that

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means that I actually do research field

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research archival research oral

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interview historic interviews with

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people and do a lot of digging and

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detective work with the with agencies be

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they local or federal government or

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wherever it takes me

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I am also the former director of museums

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of history anthropology and archaeology

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I'm a museum professional which is

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certainly to my benefit I'm also a

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cultural resource specialists and

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ancient civilizations and I have

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lectured and colleges and universities

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on ancient Egypt and the history there

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as well as European history and regard

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to the coming of the

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Second World War and what led to it and

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all the kind of things I am a published

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author an overview of some of the things

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I've written you can find and my others

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page at Amazon the what we'll be talking

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about your when I finally decide to

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release this will be published and

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available to Barnes & Noble and Amazon

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and a number of other things and I'm

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still working out which way the

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documentary is going to go because I did

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six years of field work here in the

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desert I have interviewed by virtue of

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being here and being associated with

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century families which means people that

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have lived in this area at least 100

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years the families individuals come and

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go as we geriatrics takes its course but

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the descendants and also first class I

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what I call first person I witnesses

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including the last surviving member of

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the United States Air Force retrieval

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team that took two of the vehicles out

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of here of the three that I've unearthed

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what literally and one being the first

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one we all refer to as the Kingman UFO

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and there are about 15 erroneous stories

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going around everything from ray gun

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fights with the aliens

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we're at crash a dead alien a alien

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woman ran off and the they fought the

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retrieval team from the airforce till

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the Power Packs went dead or someone was

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in a tower in 1953 the at the military

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Army Air Corps Base era and saw some a

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bogey on the pipey radar screen and

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looked out on the night sky and saw the

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flash at the Kingman UFO slammed into

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the ground and and those are claims that

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are out there in book form and blogs and

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DVDs people speak on it I've listened to

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some of these people myself

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I can tell you how the weather was what

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day what the synopsis was in the paper

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what the forecast was for the entire

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month of May 1953 because that's that's

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what I'm talking about here there were

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UFOs there before that there were UFOs

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after them I'm addressing the Kingman

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UFO incident and I I have included I

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opened my book up and went back and put

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in some stuff that goes back to 1947

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because I've had people saying this

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sounds very similar in a lot of ways

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like the Roswell story

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well information about the Kingman UFO

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first came out

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April May 1953 seven years before the

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Roswell books were ever written and some

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of the principal people there's a paper

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trail on the whole thing some of the

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principal people were following along

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with the research is 65 page interviewer

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the scientist a physicist a

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mathematician and engineer who were here

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to examine the craft that went down and

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did not crash it made a forced landing

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and along with the drawings I have all

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of that and I am the replacement

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historian per se of the historian that

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preceded me from Mojave County Arizona

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and I am the Prince the principal

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leading expert here if that's relevant

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to anybody here in Kingman about what

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happened in Kingman I have interviewed

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living people from the time

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Huell or friends of a friend who knew

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somebody that was an eyewitness or

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claimed I've talked to people who could

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hand me things give me things give me

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the most important thing of all a

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landmark I've driven all over here with

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a Jeep a little Wrangler I've walked

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through temperatures 105

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I'm engineer working with James Cameron

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for

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what he's doing and come up and fly

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drones with six of my cameras on the on

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the drone so I could look at the ground

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because I can't read the ground terrain

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here as an arc from my experience in the

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field doing archaeological work in this

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kind of stuff I can read more camps were

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human habitation up and five thousand

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years ago five hundred years ago but we

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have undergrowth here now because the

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climate change which is a natural

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process for the planet Earth when we are

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having vegetation growing here the last

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15 to 20 years so you don't see the

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desert literally all just flat sand and

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so I needed to get up 10 feet and 30

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feet up off the ground

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a drunk and ooh that I'm instantaneously

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found the second crash site you know and

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and I had wonderful clues a reverend

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ordained minister who was interviewed by

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a curator friend of mine who spent 20

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years out here trying to find the what

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we call the Red Lake question which was

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about 20 miles north of Old Town Kingman

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that happened right a few days after the

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forced landing happened and he told the

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curator the one of the things that he

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did back then was that he counseled area

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51 workers and being is ordained as a

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minister and it was a church it

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separated the ability of the government

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to interfere with who was saying what

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about what and so it put him onto the

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side and he was out there for over a

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20-year period we couldn't find anything

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the drone instantly confirmed what I

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thought I had seen it and I'm talking

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about this is no this is not something

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armchair you surf the internet or you

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read somebody else's book this is out

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there where 11 of Arizona's 15 poisonous

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creatures exist okay and in in great

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numbers there and so and it's tedious

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long hard work this is not just an

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archival going

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to somebody else wrote and if it's wrong

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you believe it and write it down this is

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to straighten things out so but my

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background is that I'm currently I'm a

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making some modifications to this by

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literally adding some things to the book

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because I have come across and my

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research from 1856 coming forward to

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right you know right to the end of the

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king when UFOs story that there were

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some other things nobody knows about or

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had mixed up or or or deliberately left

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some things out so the story sounds

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better and in other words as Steve Bell

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says from one of my presentation Steve

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Bell is an internationally known

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prolific science fiction writer 42

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novels to his credit and he lives in

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Rome Italy and he did a presentation for

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me at the world UFO Congress session at

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Tarquini Oh Italy 56 miles out of Rome

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and and basically is that what is

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different about what I'm doing is I'm a

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professional and I don't ever let a good

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story to tell get in the way what the

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facts really are and it's the other way

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around a lot of people you know they

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just skip over the facts so they can

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tell a good story it's entertaining and

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but what I found

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the third UFO second crash really I

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didn't expect any of these things

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none I didn't expect to really find

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anything and the third one turns out

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like this was going getting off into the

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let me see Twilight Zone because it was

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too freaky and because two of the crew

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of four that survived the crash into the

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Hualapai mountain here 8250 60 died

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right in front of everyone in old town

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kingman Mayberry USA 1953 it set the

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mountain on fire and two of the crew

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were arrested and taken to the county

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detention center an interrogation

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a solid concrete vault 14 inch thick

542
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:06,970
steel reinforced ceilings

543
00:27:11,940 --> 00:27:09,760
that's a ceiling of the 1915 Mojave

544
00:27:14,340 --> 00:27:11,950
County Courthouse which is a historic

545
00:27:16,170 --> 00:27:14,350
structure that still stands and the

546
00:27:18,420 --> 00:27:16,180
sheriff's office was in the basement

547
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:18,430
below great no windows no openings

548
00:27:22,380 --> 00:27:20,320
nothing you had to go through the main

549
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:22,390
door and downstairs to get to it and

550
00:27:28,670 --> 00:27:24,640
then through lock doors to get in these

551
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:28,680
people these as a newspaper reporter

552
00:27:38,130 --> 00:27:35,290
said these two strange-looking men were

553
00:27:39,930 --> 00:27:38,140
taken in by a forest service worker at

554
00:27:42,090 --> 00:27:39,940
the scene of at the scene of where the

555
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:42,100
fire was because they were wandering

556
00:27:48,810 --> 00:27:45,850
around aimlessly and one addressed about

557
00:27:51,060 --> 00:27:48,820
why they were there they never spoke so

558
00:27:52,380 --> 00:27:51,070
they were taken into custody to be

559
00:27:54,980 --> 00:27:52,390
interrogated because they were thought

560
00:27:57,810 --> 00:27:54,990
to be arsons because there were no

561
00:28:00,750 --> 00:27:57,820
rainstorms no lightning storms only

562
00:28:03,150 --> 00:28:00,760
Pleasant weather in Kingman Arizona the

563
00:28:05,850 --> 00:28:03,160
entire month of May in spite of claims

564
00:28:07,950 --> 00:28:05,860
that the UFO was knocked down by a bull

565
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:07,960
lightning was carrying an ambassador

566
00:28:13,710 --> 00:28:10,720
going to Los Alamos and the craft was

567
00:28:16,350 --> 00:28:13,720
flying southeast that's the wrong way to

568
00:28:20,460 --> 00:28:16,360
go to New Mexico from Kingman Arizona

569
00:28:21,540 --> 00:28:20,470
and we know I'm not alone we know why

570
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:21,550
this thing went down

571
00:28:26,550 --> 00:28:23,770
why the Ronco their terrestrial craft

572
00:28:29,790 --> 00:28:26,560
they weren't under stellar vehicles you

573
00:28:32,220 --> 00:28:29,800
know and if you flew a modern-day 737

574
00:28:35,100 --> 00:28:32,230
unhardened electronics and all of that

575
00:28:37,170 --> 00:28:35,110
and you flew one in over the same place

576
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:37,180
it probably just roll over and go right

577
00:28:42,570 --> 00:28:40,210
into the ground okay because the early

578
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:42,580
technology the earth force was using

579
00:28:48,210 --> 00:28:44,650
here even though there was no military

580
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:48,220
presence other than three radar systems

581
00:28:54,810 --> 00:28:51,970
set up in a triangular ground location

582
00:28:57,390 --> 00:28:54,820
and they were boosting power to try to

583
00:29:00,180 --> 00:28:57,400
get a much greater distance than what

584
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:00,190
was available at the time in 1953

585
00:29:05,580 --> 00:29:03,130
because they were worried about the

586
00:29:07,740 --> 00:29:05,590
Russians it was the Cold War and there

587
00:29:10,410 --> 00:29:07,750
was a rumor the Russians were building a

588
00:29:12,110 --> 00:29:10,420
bomber they have named the bearer they

589
00:29:14,610 --> 00:29:12,120
could come down over the North Pole

590
00:29:16,830 --> 00:29:14,620
carrying nuclear devices

591
00:29:18,270 --> 00:29:16,840
drop them on the United States and we

592
00:29:20,220 --> 00:29:18,280
wouldn't know they're coming and our

593
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:20,230
radar on the ground was at a limitation

594
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:22,930
of 25 miles that's what the military had

595
00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:25,690
from war to and out on the water

596
00:29:30,210 --> 00:29:27,910
the naval radar would work 45 miles and

597
00:29:34,260 --> 00:29:30,220
they were trying to get 150 so they were

598
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:34,270
using short-pulse microwave radar

599
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:36,880
generators but one to one to another

600
00:29:41,670 --> 00:29:39,010
u-bolt two together you double the power

601
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:41,680
you built another one to it and you know

602
00:29:45,420 --> 00:29:43,600
geometric progression and it goes up

603
00:29:48,270 --> 00:29:45,430
that's how they how they would work it

604
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:48,280
to get it out 250 miles but it also

605
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:50,370
caused a lot of other problems and

606
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:52,480
including killing birds in flight and

607
00:29:57,330 --> 00:29:54,850
other things you know but the Air Force

608
00:30:00,510 --> 00:29:57,340
wasn't interested in side effect they

609
00:30:01,980 --> 00:30:00,520
were interested in results range and so

610
00:30:05,940 --> 00:30:01,990
that's what caused the problem there's a

611
00:30:09,299 --> 00:30:05,950
real quick overview about what what it

612
00:30:13,410 --> 00:30:09,309
is that was looking for I have I not

613
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:13,420
only did the landmark help me I used the

614
00:30:19,260 --> 00:30:17,170
information from the 1973 interview also

615
00:30:23,450 --> 00:30:19,270
to help with some ground information and

616
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:23,460
and when I found the landmark off side

617
00:30:29,220 --> 00:30:27,730
19:12 wagon road I drove straight to the

618
00:30:32,580 --> 00:30:29,230
other place I already know where to go

619
00:30:34,980 --> 00:30:32,590
and I pulled up and the driver's side

620
00:30:36,780 --> 00:30:34,990
window of my Jeep I was looking at the

621
00:30:42,930 --> 00:30:36,790
fuel kitchen everything the Air Force

622
00:30:47,490 --> 00:30:42,940
left behind is there including including

623
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:47,500
relics that were one-time requested and

624
00:30:53,370 --> 00:30:49,410
paid for by the military and

625
00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:53,380
experimental object was made 1951 and 52

626
00:30:58,620 --> 00:30:55,809
and there's hundreds of them there okay

627
00:31:02,370 --> 00:30:58,630
and so I did a complete survey of the

628
00:31:09,419 --> 00:31:02,380
area the places they came in and cleared

629
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:09,429
to leave room for a GM model 3301 army

630
00:31:16,770 --> 00:31:12,730
bus 840 made the they brought 40

631
00:31:20,190 --> 00:31:16,780
scientists out on 21 May 1953 arrived

632
00:31:23,070 --> 00:31:20,200
early evening the driver's name was

633
00:31:25,250 --> 00:31:23,080
Dennis the the principle person I'm

634
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:25,260
interested in without was the wit I

635
00:31:28,350 --> 00:31:27,490
first-hand eyewitness who was brought

636
00:31:31,049 --> 00:31:28,360
there

637
00:31:34,169 --> 00:31:31,059
estimator determine the the forward

638
00:31:37,049 --> 00:31:34,179
flight speed and rate of fall before it

639
00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:37,059
hit the ground because they couldn't

640
00:31:42,690 --> 00:31:38,710
understand why it was all there it

641
00:31:47,070 --> 00:31:42,700
didn't even have a scratch and but it

642
00:31:50,910 --> 00:31:47,080
landed and it landed in a slow a very

643
00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:50,920
very wide very slow drain field off the

644
00:31:56,940 --> 00:31:53,110
Hualapai where the mountain meets the

645
00:31:59,070 --> 00:31:56,950
desert floor and in May I've been right

646
00:32:01,230 --> 00:31:59,080
there during all the times that this

647
00:32:04,049 --> 00:32:01,240
happened different seasons different

648
00:32:05,970 --> 00:32:04,059
yours I go back because you you have to

649
00:32:08,850 --> 00:32:05,980
play in this to get an average of the

650
00:32:11,250 --> 00:32:08,860
conditions okay base today versus them

651
00:32:14,909 --> 00:32:11,260
to see how the compare and and basically

652
00:32:17,940 --> 00:32:14,919
they're identical and but four inches

653
00:32:20,340 --> 00:32:17,950
below below hard back the ground water

654
00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:20,350
soaked and this thing weighed five tons

655
00:32:24,780 --> 00:32:22,510
and it just settled and they were trying

656
00:32:27,390 --> 00:32:24,790
to figure out it hit the ground so hard

657
00:32:28,980 --> 00:32:27,400
it was sunk 20 inches well it was in the

658
00:32:34,460 --> 00:32:28,990
ground 20 inches what they didn't

659
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:37,049
completely full water and the thing just

660
00:32:42,330 --> 00:32:40,210
settled and the same kind of thing my

661
00:32:45,060 --> 00:32:42,340
you know video done photograph whether I

662
00:32:47,820 --> 00:32:45,070
put a Jeep tire up in the same with the

663
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:47,830
on the Jeep just drove up and put a will

664
00:32:52,500 --> 00:32:50,290
near the area you get the same result

665
00:32:56,610 --> 00:32:52,510
you know a couple couple of hours is

666
00:32:59,640 --> 00:32:56,620
down and you have less load on a jeep

667
00:33:02,850 --> 00:32:59,650
wheel than five tons but it was sinking

668
00:33:05,789 --> 00:33:02,860
so that made some sense I did porosity

669
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:05,799
does did radiation test at the site the

670
00:33:10,140 --> 00:33:07,840
place that they are force cleared for

671
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:10,150
the bus to turn around because this is

672
00:33:14,970 --> 00:33:12,970
like on rayon tires it's a very

673
00:33:17,940 --> 00:33:14,980
primitive machine compared to what we

674
00:33:19,650 --> 00:33:17,950
have today they also had equipment they

675
00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:19,660
had to bring in I know where it came

676
00:33:26,159 --> 00:33:23,110
from I know what they brought you know

677
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:26,169
it's like the storytellers talked about

678
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:28,210
all the roads that were here there was

679
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:30,610
even something on one of the the main

680
00:33:37,049 --> 00:33:33,760
UFO people that got it like a TV thing

681
00:33:39,930 --> 00:33:37,059
and out of Phoenix and they talk about

682
00:33:41,850 --> 00:33:39,940
the the UFO was picked up and put on a

683
00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:41,860
trailer that's

684
00:33:46,919 --> 00:33:44,110
that's pretty much accurate it's a

685
00:33:49,380 --> 00:33:46,929
little more about that and then they

686
00:33:51,270 --> 00:33:49,390
closed off highway 40 from Kingman all

687
00:33:55,860 --> 00:33:51,280
the way to Barstow California which is

688
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:55,870
about 245 miles west of Kingman and so

689
00:34:02,039 --> 00:33:58,210
they could take the Kingman UFO down

690
00:34:05,370 --> 00:34:02,049
Highway 40 over to the Nevada side and

691
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:05,380
get it on highway 95 north to take it up

692
00:34:14,580 --> 00:34:08,399
to groom Lake the problems with that

693
00:34:17,700 --> 00:34:14,590
okay highway 40 didn't exist in 1953 it

694
00:34:19,820 --> 00:34:17,710
was it was there 31 years later ok so

695
00:34:23,460 --> 00:34:19,830
there's there's some just basic things

696
00:34:24,980 --> 00:34:23,470
basic research that a lot of people get

697
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:24,990
involved in telling stories about

698
00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:27,760
probably a lot of things but in regard

699
00:34:32,460 --> 00:34:30,250
to Kingman that they don't bother to

700
00:34:35,820 --> 00:34:32,470
look up and find out how many roads are

701
00:34:38,220 --> 00:34:35,830
really warrior a 1953 I have 6th grader

702
00:34:43,530 --> 00:34:38,230
boy and a sixth grader girl standing on

703
00:34:47,550 --> 00:34:43,540
video with the maths of today and the

704
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:47,560
maps of 1952 53 with the highways and

705
00:34:51,359 --> 00:34:48,879
asked him what are the main differences

706
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:51,369
you see here and but and and they were

707
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:53,649
and being filmed and in the room

708
00:34:57,810 --> 00:34:55,119
different times so they didn't see each

709
00:35:00,359 --> 00:34:57,820
other and each one noticed that there

710
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:00,369
were roads now that there aren't there

711
00:35:05,730 --> 00:35:03,010
were no roads then and you really need

712
00:35:07,710 --> 00:35:05,740
to have a highway there to be able to

713
00:35:10,050 --> 00:35:07,720
tell a story that you took something

714
00:35:12,210 --> 00:35:10,060
down it or somebody did that and then if

715
00:35:14,210 --> 00:35:12,220
that's not a problem enough there was no

716
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:14,220
bridge across the Colorado there and

717
00:35:19,859 --> 00:35:16,810
then so they switched her story and said

718
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:19,869
they did they took it over davis dam

719
00:35:26,910 --> 00:35:22,810
which wasn't done and then on the 19th

720
00:35:30,660 --> 00:35:26,920
day that's a day after the 19th day of

721
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:30,670
May 1953 the day after the craft made a

722
00:35:36,780 --> 00:35:32,800
forced landing there's an article and

723
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:36,790
and a local newspaper front page about

724
00:35:43,290 --> 00:35:39,970
how they needed to get a bridge there

725
00:35:45,390 --> 00:35:43,300
wasn't one and I've have a lot of

726
00:35:47,310 --> 00:35:45,400
museums that have worked with me I've

727
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:47,320
been given security clearances to go

728
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:50,560
into places that I need to get to the

729
00:35:54,359 --> 00:35:52,090
head of security for the County Court

730
00:35:55,770 --> 00:35:54,369
did something that was amazing for me I

731
00:35:58,620 --> 00:35:55,780
found a

732
00:36:01,470 --> 00:35:58,630
a document that gave a full description

733
00:36:03,150 --> 00:36:01,480
of the sheriff's office in 1953 and I

734
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:03,160
couldn't find it couldn't find the

735
00:36:09,450 --> 00:36:05,050
sheriff's office the old one and I

736
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:09,460
contacted the current Mojave County

737
00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:11,130
Sheriff's Office the remarkable people

738
00:36:18,270 --> 00:36:14,710
but they said I'm sorry because it it

739
00:36:19,830 --> 00:36:18,280
was torn down about 1966 and and I

740
00:36:22,860 --> 00:36:19,840
thought well after six years that makes

741
00:36:25,050 --> 00:36:22,870
sense and then I had a call from a

742
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:25,060
museum and said you know we made a

743
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:30,490
mistake the sheriff's office moved and

744
00:36:36,660 --> 00:36:32,170
they were put in the basement of the

745
00:36:39,150 --> 00:36:36,670
1915 courthouse and so I had this

746
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:39,160
document described it but it didn't say

747
00:36:44,010 --> 00:36:41,200
where it was that so I went to the head

748
00:36:47,310 --> 00:36:44,020
of security from all the county court

749
00:36:49,470 --> 00:36:47,320
the court and the court still holds a

750
00:36:52,170 --> 00:36:49,480
bullet business in this building but the

751
00:36:54,180 --> 00:36:52,180
lower portion is for court business only

752
00:36:57,090 --> 00:36:54,190
now and it's been restricted to the

753
00:36:59,310 --> 00:36:57,100
public for thirty plus years so nobody

754
00:37:03,390 --> 00:36:59,320
gets to go in there and there's security

755
00:37:04,830 --> 00:37:03,400
all the time and so I asked if I could

756
00:37:07,620 --> 00:37:04,840
speak with the head of security and I

757
00:37:12,570 --> 00:37:07,630
told him I said if if I describe to you

758
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:12,580
what the interior of the 1953 Mojave

759
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:14,290
County sheriff's office looked like

760
00:37:18,420 --> 00:37:16,210
would you just tell me yes or no I

761
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:18,430
didn't tell him I was interested in if

762
00:37:26,250 --> 00:37:23,050
about something with possible crew

763
00:37:28,020 --> 00:37:26,260
members from a spacecraft or alien ship

764
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:28,030
or something and he said he would do

765
00:37:32,610 --> 00:37:30,160
that and I described things in detail

766
00:37:35,550 --> 00:37:32,620
and we were sitting at his desk and he

767
00:37:37,860 --> 00:37:35,560
said follow me he took me over there and

768
00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:37,870
took me in everything right down to the

769
00:37:43,230 --> 00:37:40,510
oak bench the Forest Service worked that

770
00:37:44,940 --> 00:37:43,240
he's the workers sat on waiting for one

771
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:44,950
deputy to go get the sheriff this is

772
00:37:53,010 --> 00:37:48,490
Mayberry you know it's like 3400 people

773
00:37:55,170 --> 00:37:53,020
on a busy day and only six blocks you

774
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:55,180
know and and that was called bunch town

775
00:37:58,740 --> 00:37:56,770
because everything's bunched up and

776
00:38:01,110 --> 00:37:58,750
anything beyond that was called string

777
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:01,120
town was strung out you know so you have

778
00:38:06,830 --> 00:38:02,890
a little farm or or somebody with a

779
00:38:09,570 --> 00:38:06,840
garden or whatever back then and so

780
00:38:12,690 --> 00:38:09,580
interestingly enough

781
00:38:14,730 --> 00:38:12,700
here was the bench an oak bench that the

782
00:38:17,130 --> 00:38:14,740
forest service workers that on right

783
00:38:20,460 --> 00:38:17,140
outside the detention room door that was

784
00:38:22,890 --> 00:38:20,470
locked which is a concrete vote and the

785
00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:22,900
two crew members that were taken down

786
00:38:27,870 --> 00:38:24,910
off the mountain where the craft went

787
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:27,880
down and crashed they had no idea the

788
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:30,610
Air Force recovered two corpses on the

789
00:38:34,980 --> 00:38:32,410
top side of the fire some of the

790
00:38:37,470 --> 00:38:34,990
wreckage and had to evacuate because the

791
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:37,480
fire was climbing the mountain and they

792
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:40,450
were in danger of being injured or

793
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:43,450
killed so they got out of there the two

794
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:46,560
crew members were either rattled from

795
00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:48,610
hitting the side of the mountain

796
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:51,730
or disoriented or whatever and that's

797
00:38:55,380 --> 00:38:54,130
what made them stand out beyond the fact

798
00:39:00,810 --> 00:38:55,390
that they were wearing some kind of

799
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:00,820
strange coveralls flight suits okay

800
00:39:08,490 --> 00:39:06,400
and so the sheriff one deputy went out

801
00:39:09,900 --> 00:39:08,500
three deputies were in the office buying

802
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:09,910
to lock doors with the forest service

803
00:39:13,290 --> 00:39:11,680
worker and they waited for the sheriff

804
00:39:15,830 --> 00:39:13,300
to come back because they wanted the

805
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:15,840
sheriff to interrogate these two

806
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:19,330
strange-looking men firstly when they

807
00:39:23,820 --> 00:39:21,280
brought him back he was briefed by the

808
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:23,830
Forest Service worker and he told them

809
00:39:27,810 --> 00:39:25,810
to open up the door and the sheriff

810
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:27,820
walked down the forest service worker

811
00:39:32,130 --> 00:39:29,530
and the deputy and the two

812
00:39:35,460 --> 00:39:32,140
strange-looking men this is the end of

813
00:39:37,290 --> 00:39:35,470
the story so to speak okay but the two

814
00:39:40,050 --> 00:39:37,300
strange-looking men weren't there

815
00:39:41,610 --> 00:39:40,060
anymore and there's no way out this is

816
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:41,620
below great meaning it's below the

817
00:39:47,340 --> 00:39:45,040
surface of the ground outside no windows

818
00:39:50,940 --> 00:39:47,350
no openings and then I was allowed to

819
00:39:55,230 --> 00:39:50,950
photograph all of this at and I put some

820
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:55,240
of that in the book of the I have an

821
00:40:01,440 --> 00:39:59,440
oversized hardbound alright so I'm

822
00:40:04,050 --> 00:40:01,450
sitting there right in front of me full

823
00:40:06,980 --> 00:40:04,060
color archival paper of the whole thing

824
00:40:09,350 --> 00:40:06,990
it's archival and there are intended for

825
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:09,360
library State Library System's

826
00:40:14,910 --> 00:40:12,850
universities and museums and I haven't

827
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:14,920
really thought about doing anything with

828
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:17,050
these as far as those going out to the

829
00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:19,330
public whereas a trade journal sick fine

830
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:22,000
iron paperback yes and that'll have lots

831
00:40:27,060 --> 00:40:23,200
of nuts and bolts stuff

832
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:27,070
but this has on-site photos including

833
00:40:32,609 --> 00:40:30,490
what I just told you about and these

834
00:40:36,450 --> 00:40:32,619
things by the way there was a police

835
00:40:38,010 --> 00:40:36,460
report you don't take people in you know

836
00:40:40,589 --> 00:40:38,020
to interrogate him without mentioning

837
00:40:45,210 --> 00:40:40,599
anything so notations were made to the

838
00:40:48,599 --> 00:40:45,220
effect and so but that's the back end

839
00:40:53,089 --> 00:40:48,609
the front end is the craft there is a

840
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:53,099
North by Northwest by South by southeast

841
00:41:02,579 --> 00:40:58,210
flight path for UFO across the Red Lake

842
00:41:07,710 --> 00:41:02,589
desert and the Hualapai Valley which is

843
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:07,720
in the immediate Kingman town area a

844
00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:11,680
little bit to the north and south and do

845
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:15,730
an and very close to the east and the

846
00:41:23,810 --> 00:41:18,880
radar systems were set up one and one on

847
00:41:29,970 --> 00:41:23,820
the east side of Red Lake and one set up

848
00:41:32,910 --> 00:41:29,980
to the southeast or maybe 12 miles away

849
00:41:35,550 --> 00:41:32,920
from what is now called has been called

850
00:41:40,819 --> 00:41:35,560
for years radar Hill which sits right

851
00:41:44,370 --> 00:41:40,829
smack above old town Kingman and in 1955

852
00:41:47,069 --> 00:41:44,380
they took out all the the temporary test

853
00:41:48,599 --> 00:41:47,079
equipment and they brought in what would

854
00:41:50,490 --> 00:41:48,609
be like an early forerunner or a

855
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:50,500
backscatter and they brought in two

856
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:52,810
hundred Air Force personnel and they set

857
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:57,010
it up on radar Hill and all of the all

858
00:42:01,440 --> 00:41:59,200
of the outbuildings that they made are

859
00:42:07,579 --> 00:42:01,450
there at this moment this is no secret

860
00:42:11,130 --> 00:42:07,589
it's front page death and but it evolved

861
00:42:13,890 --> 00:42:11,140
because of budgeting from Congress a lot

862
00:42:16,770 --> 00:42:13,900
of things happen in 1951 the Army Air

863
00:42:20,190 --> 00:42:16,780
Corps Base was handed off to Edwards Air

864
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:20,200
Force Base a 1951 who promptly began

865
00:42:26,730 --> 00:42:22,930
development of the base using what we

866
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:26,740
today call black funds black money black

867
00:42:30,660 --> 00:42:28,690
budget money they did you know they'd

868
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:30,670
have to wait around to get budgeted in

869
00:42:37,090 --> 00:42:33,490
1955 they were already working groom

870
00:42:43,150 --> 00:42:37,100
like today is referred to as area 51

871
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:43,160
okay and the Kingman UFO landed made a

872
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:45,410
forced landing radar fall was eight feet

873
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:49,330
per second was the estimate based on

874
00:42:54,130 --> 00:42:51,890
improper information and and the

875
00:42:56,980 --> 00:42:54,140
scientists who did that questioned his

876
00:42:58,780 --> 00:42:56,990
own findings it made no sense the rate

877
00:43:00,700 --> 00:42:58,790
of fall if you take a pencil and hold it

878
00:43:04,270 --> 00:43:00,710
out in front of you and you just drop it

879
00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:04,280
it's 32 feet per second per second if

880
00:43:08,980 --> 00:43:07,520
you get high enough like in a a balloon

881
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:08,990
and you're wearing the right kind of

882
00:43:13,870 --> 00:43:11,930
clothing you can jump out and before you

883
00:43:15,940 --> 00:43:13,880
have to open your parachute you can

884
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:15,950
exceed the speed of sound because you

885
00:43:21,850 --> 00:43:18,770
continue to accelerate and that was

886
00:43:23,650 --> 00:43:21,860
recently done where we have someone who

887
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:23,660
cracked who literally jumped out of a

888
00:43:30,220 --> 00:43:26,720
balloon and extremely altitude and

889
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:30,230
survived cracking this the sound barrier

890
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:32,690
but just to drop a pencil the miniature

891
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:34,400
let go it goes right to 32 feet per

892
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:37,010
second the craft came down early

893
00:43:41,620 --> 00:43:39,200
estimates were 8 feet the rate of fall

894
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:41,630
was 8 feet per second that means there's

895
00:43:47,140 --> 00:43:45,170
a controlled descent at the very best

896
00:43:50,590 --> 00:43:47,150
that meant a controlled descent and the

897
00:43:53,410 --> 00:43:50,600
fact that had no damage and the and and

898
00:43:56,350 --> 00:43:53,420
I have drawings of this thing that are

899
00:43:58,270 --> 00:43:56,360
very interesting there this there's been

900
00:44:02,980 --> 00:43:58,280
a few people that have seen these back

901
00:44:05,110 --> 00:44:02,990
in the 40s and 50s who didn't have the

902
00:44:08,620 --> 00:44:05,120
opportunity to be underneath it and

903
00:44:11,740 --> 00:44:08,630
touch it and look out and walk around it

904
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:11,750
and all that kind of thing who were

905
00:44:15,460 --> 00:44:13,130
pretty much right in some of the

906
00:44:19,180 --> 00:44:15,470
guessing but they weren't making claims

907
00:44:23,260 --> 00:44:19,190
about invasions or anything else this

908
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:23,270
was a disc-shaped craft approximately 30

909
00:44:30,610 --> 00:44:27,770
feet in diameter and it had according to

910
00:44:36,090 --> 00:44:30,620
the witnesses who were there there were

911
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:39,340
eyewitnesses that I that I am okay I

912
00:44:46,510 --> 00:44:43,280
have witnesses here 15 witnesses who

913
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:46,520
observed this thing going down and what

914
00:44:54,490 --> 00:44:49,760
was a 7.2 mile trip to the ground

915
00:44:57,310 --> 00:44:54,500
and it flew through the radar field that

916
00:44:59,020 --> 00:44:57,320
when the three radars were turned on it

917
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:59,030
came sir like it probably comes through

918
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:01,040
a hundred times or five hundred times

919
00:45:08,170 --> 00:45:04,490
before they say terrestrial shuttlecraft

920
00:45:11,020 --> 00:45:08,180
and all of a sudden they had some type

921
00:45:13,450 --> 00:45:11,030
of problem with the avionics or the

922
00:45:15,310 --> 00:45:13,460
propulsion and it will cause the same

923
00:45:17,710 --> 00:45:15,320
kind of problem and a modern-day

924
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:17,720
commercial non hardened jet

925
00:45:22,300 --> 00:45:20,240
that's why cellphones are still not

926
00:45:24,849 --> 00:45:22,310
allowed and people say well cellphones

927
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:24,859
can't do that you know in my book I show

928
00:45:32,770 --> 00:45:29,770
where a maybe 2014 a woman being

929
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:32,780
arrested and removed using a Turner

930
00:45:38,290 --> 00:45:35,330
phone off before they take off because

931
00:45:42,910 --> 00:45:38,300
it can cause the autopilot to shut off

932
00:45:46,540 --> 00:45:42,920
our can cause flap our arms or ailerons

933
00:45:51,460 --> 00:45:46,550
to misbehave or or interfere with it and

934
00:45:52,990 --> 00:45:51,470
if it releases the autopilot it doesn't

935
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:53,000
trip the alarm it's like the pilot

936
00:45:58,030 --> 00:45:55,010
reached over and flipped it off and so

937
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:58,040
the crew doesn't know and it's like well

938
00:46:02,830 --> 00:46:00,560
everybody would know if the plane wasn't

939
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:02,840
on autopilot isn't he that's not really

940
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:07,040
true but with all that aside this thing

941
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:09,170
flew through through there was they'd

942
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:11,359
been many times before and all of a

943
00:46:18,130 --> 00:46:16,010
sudden the entire way things work

944
00:46:21,580 --> 00:46:18,140
changed for them when they weren't

945
00:46:23,470 --> 00:46:21,590
weren't able to continue their flight

946
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:23,480
they weren't hit by a bolt of lightning

947
00:46:30,070 --> 00:46:27,770
they were not shot down by rockets the

948
00:46:32,020 --> 00:46:30,080
story is going on or fighter jets

949
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:32,030
intercept them there were no there was

950
00:46:37,330 --> 00:46:35,210
no military in Kingman Arizona with the

951
00:46:39,820 --> 00:46:37,340
exception of a radar operator and a

952
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:39,830
technician on each one of the three

953
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:42,560
radar units that were portable brought

954
00:46:48,970 --> 00:46:44,810
in to where they were they were

955
00:46:53,170 --> 00:46:48,980
experimenting with trying to boost the

956
00:46:56,650 --> 00:46:53,180
short-pulse monocle wave radar units to

957
00:46:59,440 --> 00:46:56,660
gain more distance and that was all that

958
00:47:01,450 --> 00:46:59,450
was going on just and regular radar was

959
00:47:03,130 --> 00:47:01,460
under development back I think in

960
00:47:03,609 --> 00:47:03,140
Massachusetts it was Becky somewhere in

961
00:47:10,329 --> 00:47:03,619
that area

962
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:10,339
and with all of that going on they flew

963
00:47:17,339 --> 00:47:12,170
through there was no Army Air Corps here

964
00:47:19,809 --> 00:47:17,349
and the the air the error force

965
00:47:24,339 --> 00:47:19,819
technician and the Air Force radar

966
00:47:28,329 --> 00:47:24,349
operator had no idea they somewhat shot

967
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:28,339
down a UFO and the Air Force at Nellis

968
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:32,089
who knew something went down and we're

969
00:47:39,059 --> 00:47:36,559
here within two hours had no idea they

970
00:47:41,499 --> 00:47:39,069
caused it and later there would be a

971
00:47:44,109 --> 00:47:41,509
communication within the Pentagon from

972
00:47:48,819 --> 00:47:44,119
one for Air Force officers office to

973
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:48,829
another and I noticed that dr. Greer has

974
00:47:55,299 --> 00:47:52,400
published that in something and you know

975
00:47:58,779 --> 00:47:55,309
it's it's just speculation and they're

976
00:48:03,130 --> 00:47:58,789
saying do you suppose it's has something

977
00:48:07,329 --> 00:48:03,140
to do with our radar and here yeah and

978
00:48:09,579 --> 00:48:07,339
if it did in Roswell I have no idea you

979
00:48:10,809 --> 00:48:09,589
know I have no idea because I have I'm

980
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:10,819
not trying to do Roswell I have a

981
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:13,130
complete story that's completely that's

982
00:48:18,309 --> 00:48:15,440
different than that and but I know that

983
00:48:21,309 --> 00:48:18,319
a lot of things that are mentioned about

984
00:48:23,859 --> 00:48:21,319
Roswell everybody got to see that in

985
00:48:28,269 --> 00:48:23,869
1973 because it was mentioned about

986
00:48:29,529 --> 00:48:28,279
Kingman you know so how much how much

987
00:48:32,709 --> 00:48:29,539
you pick up from one to the other I

988
00:48:35,319 --> 00:48:32,719
don't know does that help you and the

989
00:48:37,809 --> 00:48:35,329
listeners at all - oh you get an idea

990
00:48:40,029 --> 00:48:37,819
yeah there's a you know there's a couple

991
00:48:43,930 --> 00:48:40,039
of questions popped up here and there as

992
00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:43,940
we were going along but you know the the

993
00:48:47,859 --> 00:48:45,529
one question I was going to ask you

994
00:48:50,049 --> 00:48:47,869
toward the beginning of but you may have

995
00:48:52,289 --> 00:48:50,059
already covered it was what before you

996
00:48:55,539 --> 00:48:52,299
started looking into this what was the

997
00:48:59,309 --> 00:48:55,549
general story this happened I think was

998
00:49:02,950 --> 00:48:59,319
May what was the date May 18th

999
00:49:06,479 --> 00:49:02,960
supposedly but you you kind of went all

1000
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:06,489
all through that but there was a witness

1001
00:49:15,459 --> 00:49:10,960
that first came forward about this story

1002
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:15,469
was that did his story to have any

1003
00:49:20,339 --> 00:49:16,930
weight to it or

1004
00:49:23,099 --> 00:49:20,349
get er in fact um well let's get right

1005
00:49:28,319 --> 00:49:23,109
to that you know and get past that on a

1006
00:49:32,900 --> 00:49:28,329
man by the name of Arthur stancel who is

1007
00:49:35,609 --> 00:49:32,910
real okay I can tell you which community

1008
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:35,619
councils he was on in Sudbury

1009
00:49:40,140 --> 00:49:37,930
Massachusetts and I mean I've dealt with

1010
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:40,150
I've dealt with authorities back east

1011
00:49:48,599 --> 00:49:44,319
and and before he died he donated over

1012
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:48,609
2,000 hours of his time and at a

1013
00:49:54,900 --> 00:49:53,200
hospital miss Peck new job new hampshire

1014
00:49:57,569 --> 00:49:54,910
and i talked to the director of

1015
00:50:00,239 --> 00:49:57,579
volunteer services about him i mean so

1016
00:50:02,220 --> 00:50:00,249
it's like I'm a historian you know I'm

1017
00:50:03,870 --> 00:50:02,230
not I'm not looking at somebody's book

1018
00:50:05,900 --> 00:50:03,880
to find out what happened cuz I know

1019
00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:05,910
better than that this is what drives

1020
00:50:12,059 --> 00:50:07,569
historians up the wall

1021
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:12,069
somebody somebody exaggerated 400 years

1022
00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:14,650
ago and somebody else goes to write

1023
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:16,329
another history book and they use that

1024
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:18,490
exaggeration and they might even add

1025
00:50:23,069 --> 00:50:20,410
some of their own and by the time it

1026
00:50:25,950 --> 00:50:23,079
reaches the the students in our College

1027
00:50:29,729 --> 00:50:25,960
were our high schools the reading stuff

1028
00:50:32,489 --> 00:50:29,739
this complete junk because it's it's

1029
00:50:35,339 --> 00:50:32,499
been manipulated for whatever reasons at

1030
00:50:37,380 --> 00:50:35,349
the time for hundreds of years I'm not

1031
00:50:42,299 --> 00:50:37,390
yeah I totally agree with that

1032
00:50:47,339 --> 00:50:42,309
yeah what's so do I you know and as a

1033
00:50:49,890 --> 00:50:47,349
historian I have the my reputation is

1034
00:50:53,130 --> 00:50:49,900
impeccable in regard to matters of

1035
00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:53,140
history and you know you get it as right

1036
00:50:57,210 --> 00:50:55,089
as you can and if you and if you have a

1037
00:51:01,259 --> 00:50:57,220
problem or doubts you can share them

1038
00:51:02,489 --> 00:51:01,269
it's also fair that I can speculate but

1039
00:51:05,789 --> 00:51:02,499
I have to make sure everybody

1040
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:05,799
understands I'm speculating this is this

1041
00:51:12,029 --> 00:51:08,559
what might be but I'd rather have the

1042
00:51:13,890 --> 00:51:12,039
reader question this and if they want to

1043
00:51:17,339 --> 00:51:13,900
know more go out and dig up the

1044
00:51:19,579 --> 00:51:17,349
information if it can be and and not all

1045
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:19,589
cases it can be I will tell you that

1046
00:51:23,940 --> 00:51:22,450
when I first took a look at this they

1047
00:51:27,420 --> 00:51:23,950
were talking about it happened on the

1048
00:51:29,099 --> 00:51:27,430
19th of May the 20th of May and the 21st

1049
00:51:30,420 --> 00:51:29,109
of May and I'll tell you where some of

1050
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:30,430
this comes from are

1051
00:51:35,609 --> 00:51:32,890
stancil worked he was at

1052
00:51:40,530 --> 00:51:35,619
wright-patterson for 12 years when he

1053
00:51:45,049 --> 00:51:40,540
was sent to Frenchmen flats at the

1054
00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:45,059
nuclear test site in Nevada and he was

1055
00:51:51,299 --> 00:51:49,119
the materials handler basically we would

1056
00:51:55,230 --> 00:51:51,309
think of him more as like the bomb blast

1057
00:51:57,299 --> 00:51:55,240
effect analyst they put up things like a

1058
00:51:58,859 --> 00:51:57,309
little town or some cars or a bus and

1059
00:52:01,770 --> 00:51:58,869
different things and then they detonate

1060
00:52:06,270 --> 00:52:01,780
an atomic bomb to see what happens you

1061
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:06,280
know at point-blank inside the fireball

1062
00:52:13,859 --> 00:52:09,010
outside the fireball death you know

1063
00:52:16,109 --> 00:52:13,869
miles away to get an idea of how if

1064
00:52:18,510 --> 00:52:16,119
we're going to resist getting hit by one

1065
00:52:21,839 --> 00:52:18,520
of these things or we want to see how to

1066
00:52:24,900 --> 00:52:21,849
overcome an enemies hardened hardening

1067
00:52:27,150 --> 00:52:24,910
of their targets or is that that we know

1068
00:52:31,730 --> 00:52:27,160
how to impact it so he was doing that

1069
00:52:34,980 --> 00:52:31,740
and he got a call from the director of

1070
00:52:37,230 --> 00:52:34,990
the the operation there the atomic bomb

1071
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:37,240
blast operation farthest answer was

1072
00:52:45,530 --> 00:52:40,210
really there he was interviewed by a a

1073
00:52:48,690 --> 00:52:45,540
really well learned highly credible

1074
00:52:51,630 --> 00:52:48,700
historian and researcher Raymond Fowler

1075
00:52:54,930 --> 00:52:51,640
oh yeah who was still living back east

1076
00:52:56,730 --> 00:52:54,940
he's he's about 30 miles from me okay

1077
00:53:01,079 --> 00:52:56,740
he's a wonderful man okay

1078
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:01,089
and he did he did some things we could

1079
00:53:07,410 --> 00:53:04,000
never get away with now he talked to

1080
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:07,420
like the bosses the employers of artha

1081
00:53:11,370 --> 00:53:10,210
Stansel you know they now they can't

1082
00:53:13,079 --> 00:53:11,380
tell you anything I wouldn't even take a

1083
00:53:16,319 --> 00:53:13,089
call they might even send out some

1084
00:53:21,329 --> 00:53:16,329
people to check you out you know now but

1085
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:21,339
and so he documented and and it starts

1086
00:53:28,500 --> 00:53:24,930
with an interview with a 15 year old boy

1087
00:53:31,079 --> 00:53:28,510
by the Sudbury Massachusetts newspaper

1088
00:53:35,339 --> 00:53:31,089
who heard that he was writing a book

1089
00:53:38,250 --> 00:53:35,349
about UFOs for youth for other kids to

1090
00:53:41,549 --> 00:53:38,260
read he's 15 years old his name is Jeff

1091
00:53:42,750 --> 00:53:41,559
young and one of the books like I think

1092
00:53:44,190 --> 00:53:42,760
it's a majestic 12

1093
00:53:46,980 --> 00:53:44,200
they say he

1094
00:53:49,319 --> 00:53:46,990
he and another kid named Campbell were

1095
00:53:55,530 --> 00:53:49,329
the first men and you ethology history

1096
00:53:57,839 --> 00:53:55,540
to to interview Arthur Sansa oh they

1097
00:53:59,880 --> 00:53:57,849
weren't men there was one kid and he

1098
00:54:01,829 --> 00:53:59,890
spent about six months it's right in the

1099
00:54:04,410 --> 00:54:01,839
front page of the paper and it's like

1100
00:54:08,670 --> 00:54:04,420
multiple pages and the paper the

1101
00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:08,680
newspaper from Sudbury I told him it's

1102
00:54:13,490 --> 00:54:10,720
so many versions of this and it's and

1103
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:13,500
it's been missed through misuse and

1104
00:54:19,260 --> 00:54:16,450
changed so many times and stories used

1105
00:54:22,170 --> 00:54:19,270
by all the UF ology people who become

1106
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:22,180
self professed experts on this then I

1107
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:24,490
got a hold of the newspaper back east

1108
00:54:30,660 --> 00:54:28,089
and they sent me the original microphone

1109
00:54:33,660 --> 00:54:30,670
and talked about trusting a historian

1110
00:54:35,849 --> 00:54:33,670
they sent me the original microfilm and

1111
00:54:37,770 --> 00:54:35,859
so I could read it for myself and I

1112
00:54:39,420 --> 00:54:37,780
copied it it shipped it back and they

1113
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:39,430
got it back safe and sound

1114
00:54:45,240 --> 00:54:42,640
that's what we do and in it it tells the

1115
00:54:47,819 --> 00:54:45,250
real story and there was a little blip

1116
00:54:51,569 --> 00:54:47,829
and I mentioned Arthur Stancil by name

1117
00:54:55,770 --> 00:54:51,579
and talking about that he had it that he

1118
00:54:58,800 --> 00:54:55,780
had looked at a spaceship in Kingman

1119
00:55:00,780 --> 00:54:58,810
Arizona and a clipping service that

1120
00:55:03,089 --> 00:55:00,790
Raymond Fowler had clipped that out and

1121
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:03,099
they sent it to him Raymond Fowler got a

1122
00:55:06,839 --> 00:55:04,690
hold of arthur sands will hunted him

1123
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:06,849
down and artha stance will agree to do

1124
00:55:12,990 --> 00:55:10,960
an interview okay and and so stansson

1125
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:13,000
went and found his nope a notebook he

1126
00:55:17,370 --> 00:55:15,130
had and there's some innocent things in

1127
00:55:19,650 --> 00:55:17,380
there that some other person has said if

1128
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:19,660
he was really if he was really he said

1129
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:21,040
it was he would have never said it this

1130
00:55:26,849 --> 00:55:23,440
is a personal little notebook and he

1131
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:26,859
left left it in his barracks before he

1132
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:29,530
was flown down from Indian Springs on

1133
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:35,530
the 21st day of May 1953 because his

1134
00:55:40,829 --> 00:55:37,839
boss called him after work the day

1135
00:55:44,550 --> 00:55:40,839
before on the 20th and said to report

1136
00:55:47,790 --> 00:55:44,560
after work at Indian Springs Air Force

1137
00:55:52,829 --> 00:55:47,800
Base which was near Nellis that's north

1138
00:55:57,720 --> 00:55:52,839
of Las Vegas and and he boarded with 14

1139
00:56:00,420 --> 00:55:57,730
other technicians they flew them to

1140
00:56:06,540 --> 00:56:00,430
Phoenix Arizona where there were 25

1141
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:06,550
scientists waiting and this Jim Jam

1142
00:56:12,990 --> 00:56:10,240
model 3301 bus waiting with the windows

1143
00:56:14,910 --> 00:56:13,000
taped over with missile tape so they

1144
00:56:16,530 --> 00:56:14,920
can't see out the sides and in that

1145
00:56:19,470 --> 00:56:16,540
particular bus there's no back window

1146
00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:19,480
and there's a jump seat in the back for

1147
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:21,730
luggage or they can carry four more

1148
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:26,170
people the bus is a 36% bus they took 40

1149
00:56:29,970 --> 00:56:28,240
and they were all given sack lunches

1150
00:56:31,950 --> 00:56:29,980
under the whole the whole routine for

1151
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:31,960
this thing and I even know where the bus

1152
00:56:36,780 --> 00:56:34,240
went and the name of the driver that's

1153
00:56:39,359 --> 00:56:36,790
in draw that drove it from one military

1154
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:39,369
post to another post five days a week I

1155
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:41,170
mean this stuff really exists if

1156
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:43,570
somebody looks and really students a

1157
00:56:49,050 --> 00:56:46,570
time and so it's like for historians we

1158
00:56:51,240 --> 00:56:49,060
can't pass the rock sitting out on the

1159
00:56:53,250 --> 00:56:51,250
desert floor we have to kick it over

1160
00:56:55,109 --> 00:56:53,260
because it could be a clue and it just

1161
00:56:57,390 --> 00:56:55,119
it's never-ending and so we have to

1162
00:56:58,980 --> 00:56:57,400
bring it to a stop somewhere yeah and

1163
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:58,990
that's why I'll enough to I've been

1164
00:57:02,750 --> 00:57:01,119
trapped to release the book because they

1165
00:57:05,310 --> 00:57:02,760
haven't been doing it for the money

1166
00:57:08,609 --> 00:57:05,320
how I would have done it or let it out a

1167
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:08,619
long time ago you know this has got to

1168
00:57:16,349 --> 00:57:13,050
be right okay anyway so Raymond Fowler

1169
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:16,359
did the interview and it's 100% correct

1170
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:20,170
and what are thooose Ansel was saying

1171
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:21,970
about a lot of things I verified

1172
00:57:28,620 --> 00:57:27,130
I see now did he did I read somewhere

1173
00:57:31,290 --> 00:57:28,630
that he had a different name

1174
00:57:32,700 --> 00:57:31,300
did he ever change his name or used a

1175
00:57:35,820 --> 00:57:32,710
different name or something like that

1176
00:57:39,570 --> 00:57:35,830
oh yeah well yes that's true no no keep

1177
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:39,580
in mind his real name associated with

1178
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:42,400
the Kingman UFO was in the paper on

1179
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:48,570
April 23rd 1973 in the Sudbury main

1180
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:49,890
newspaper

1181
00:57:55,950 --> 00:57:53,650
Arthur stancel I got it in the book it's

1182
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:55,960
right there his name for everybody in

1183
00:58:02,210 --> 00:57:58,960
the world to know and but they decided I

1184
00:58:05,790 --> 00:58:02,220
don't know why exactly the real reason

1185
00:58:09,150 --> 00:58:05,800
beyond the said reason they think they

1186
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:09,160
ended up giving him a pseudonym

1187
00:58:16,259 --> 00:58:13,359
of another name so that people wouldn't

1188
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:16,269
somehow identify Arthur stancel but I

1189
00:58:20,519 --> 00:58:18,490
really think from what I've read for

1190
00:58:23,039 --> 00:58:20,529
more substantial and the information

1191
00:58:24,779 --> 00:58:23,049
I've had from interviewing the director

1192
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:24,789
of volunteer services and some other

1193
00:58:30,539 --> 00:58:27,490
places that dealt with him is that he

1194
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:30,549
got a little spooked but about the idea

1195
00:58:35,630 --> 00:58:32,799
that maybe too much is being said about

1196
00:58:40,140 --> 00:58:35,640
him and it could end up causing problems

1197
00:58:45,259 --> 00:58:40,150
as far as a connection with UFOs and

1198
00:58:49,650 --> 00:58:45,269
aliens and you know all the stuff and so

1199
00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:49,660
Fritz Warner was the name that was

1200
00:58:56,099 --> 00:58:52,720
referred to but it was Arthur stencil

1201
00:58:59,009 --> 00:58:56,109
and by the way he even was accused of

1202
00:59:01,920 --> 00:58:59,019
spelling his name wrong by one of the

1203
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:01,930
people that you mentioned to me in a

1204
00:59:09,630 --> 00:59:06,880
call we had before this and and his last

1205
00:59:11,549 --> 00:59:09,640
name is spelled s T for everybody that's

1206
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:11,559
paying attention and wonder what is this

1207
00:59:15,779 --> 00:59:14,079
guy doing it's important how your last

1208
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:15,789
name is bill if you're going to be part

1209
00:59:22,019 --> 00:59:18,640
of history if you want to be remembered

1210
00:59:27,450 --> 00:59:22,029
good or bad and his his last name was

1211
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:27,460
billed Stancil sta n s al so a lot of

1212
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:29,410
stories are still online they spelled

1213
00:59:35,370 --> 00:59:32,559
his name sta ncil yeah but they don't

1214
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:35,380
use the s and then one of the people who

1215
00:59:39,210 --> 00:59:36,970
had been doing that finally accused

1216
00:59:41,849 --> 00:59:39,220
Arthur Stansell of being some kind of a

1217
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:41,859
rascal and it changed his name to

1218
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:45,130
confuse people and was or that he was

1219
00:59:49,769 --> 00:59:47,650
telling his name wrong and and that's

1220
00:59:52,349 --> 00:59:49,779
really how he spells it that was the

1221
00:59:54,900 --> 00:59:52,359
name on his birth certificate that's the

1222
00:59:57,900 --> 00:59:54,910
name on on his wedding license that's a

1223
01:00:00,269 --> 00:59:57,910
name on his taxes for property that he

1224
01:00:03,299 --> 01:00:00,279
had in two different states and I mean

1225
01:00:07,220 --> 01:00:03,309
so Tim and that's the that's the name

1226
01:00:12,140 --> 01:00:07,230
that was in the paper April 23 1953

1227
01:00:17,490 --> 01:00:12,150
front page and it and disagrees with

1228
01:00:20,249 --> 01:00:17,500
1953 April or 73 so no 73 I'm sorry very

1229
01:00:22,980 --> 01:00:20,259
70s no I'm you're right yes April 23rd

1230
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:22,990
1973 which disagrees with everybody

1231
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:24,730
what they're saying about that and what

1232
01:00:29,070 --> 01:00:27,490
happened in 1953 we should which is

1233
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:29,080
world said it with a fifty three part

1234
01:00:35,460 --> 01:00:32,890
yeah so it's it's very hard on the radio

1235
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:35,470
to be able to to knock this all out this

1236
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:40,570
is why I did the 22 inch wide open hard

1237
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:43,810
bound full-color archival one for

1238
01:00:48,990 --> 01:00:46,210
libraries for research libraries you're

1239
01:00:51,510 --> 01:00:49,000
going to be able to see steps that I the

1240
01:00:53,460 --> 01:00:51,520
photos I've taken from the air from the

1241
01:00:55,260 --> 01:00:53,470
drone you're gonna see pictures they've

1242
01:00:59,280 --> 01:00:55,270
taken on the ground pictures I've taken

1243
01:01:02,220 --> 01:00:59,290
of where the craft sat okay and the area

1244
01:01:06,300 --> 01:01:02,230
that's cleared that's still not a thing

1245
01:01:08,970 --> 01:01:06,310
grows where they remove the craft not

1246
01:01:13,140 --> 01:01:08,980
interesting and now are you naming names

1247
01:01:15,290 --> 01:01:13,150
as far as the witness goes pardon as far

1248
01:01:18,510 --> 01:01:15,300
as the witnesses go that you spoke with

1249
01:01:20,190 --> 01:01:18,520
pardon me the firsthand witnesses are

1250
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:20,200
they using their real name I'm een are

1251
01:01:26,490 --> 01:01:23,170
you anonymous are they using their names

1252
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:26,500
summer summer and well I have 42 summer

1253
01:01:34,290 --> 01:01:31,570
anonymous at this point there's one

1254
01:01:38,010 --> 01:01:34,300
that's that similar conscious because it

1255
01:01:41,220 --> 01:01:38,020
is going through end-of-life thing but

1256
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:41,230
I'm I've had witnesses passing away

1257
01:01:46,890 --> 01:01:44,890
because of age and the philosophy here

1258
01:01:50,490 --> 01:01:46,900
everybody needs to understand this too

1259
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:50,500
the philosophy then and Kingman during

1260
01:01:56,940 --> 01:01:53,890
the time that the army are large b-17

1261
01:01:59,310 --> 01:01:56,950
bomber and crew training facility at

1262
01:02:02,820 --> 01:01:59,320
Kingman Arizona during World War two

1263
01:02:06,170 --> 01:02:02,830
there was a operational tower there that

1264
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:06,180
fell into disuse it was closed in June

1265
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:09,970
1945 and all of the equipment including

1266
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:14,290
all the P IPU radar scopes everything

1267
01:02:23,490 --> 01:02:18,010
was removed from the tower and destroyed

1268
01:02:26,220 --> 01:02:23,500
in June 1945 in August after the after

1269
01:02:30,660 --> 01:02:26,230
the bombing of the Japanese with nuclear

1270
01:02:34,109 --> 01:02:30,670
weapons in August of 1945 the Army Air

1271
01:02:36,690 --> 01:02:34,119
Corps deserted the base forever though

1272
01:02:39,900 --> 01:02:36,700
they used it as a

1273
01:02:43,140 --> 01:02:39,910
sort of a cemetery for aircraft for the

1274
01:02:45,930 --> 01:02:43,150
intent for a year of trying to sell the

1275
01:02:47,370 --> 01:02:45,940
craft to commercial industry and nobody

1276
01:02:50,310 --> 01:02:47,380
was interested they ended up putting in

1277
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:50,320
a smaller and they mold it down even

1278
01:02:56,310 --> 01:02:54,130
brand new World War two planes and and

1279
01:02:59,609 --> 01:02:56,320
the whole thing then was handed off to

1280
01:03:03,540 --> 01:02:59,619
Mojave County who became the sole owner

1281
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:03,550
and is the sole owner of the former Army

1282
01:03:10,890 --> 01:03:06,730
Air Corps Base and they began using the

1283
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:10,900
airport of the the air base runways for

1284
01:03:20,540 --> 01:03:16,480
the airport and it is also the site for

1285
01:03:24,210 --> 01:03:20,550
one of the most ominous most sinister

1286
01:03:27,780 --> 01:03:24,220
UFO incidences in all of us

1287
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:27,790
UFO recorded history as far as we call

1288
01:03:33,930 --> 01:03:30,720
modern day meaning since Kenneth Arnold

1289
01:03:39,390 --> 01:03:33,940
supposedly saw nine UFOs by Mount

1290
01:03:41,849 --> 01:03:39,400
Rainier which is another story and we

1291
01:03:46,620 --> 01:03:41,859
won't go there and it's not any it's not

1292
01:03:49,559 --> 01:03:46,630
right but the fact is something far and

1293
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:49,569
this is like parallels Roswell or before

1294
01:03:53,460 --> 01:03:51,130
Roswell okay

1295
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:53,470
and you tell me of something that can

1296
01:04:01,380 --> 01:03:57,930
compare with UFOs multiple UFOs

1297
01:04:04,650 --> 01:04:01,390
launching an attack against a civilian

1298
01:04:08,309 --> 01:04:04,660
two passenger propeller driven airplane

1299
01:04:11,010 --> 01:04:08,319
on an approach to land at an airport 600

1300
01:04:13,410 --> 01:04:11,020
feet off the ground is that sinister

1301
01:04:17,220 --> 01:04:13,420
enough for you is that aggressive enough

1302
01:04:19,740 --> 01:04:17,230
for you is is that equally to any other

1303
01:04:22,470 --> 01:04:19,750
thing that happens in the UFO world they

1304
01:04:26,730 --> 01:04:22,480
were coming from an underground base 32

1305
01:04:29,309 --> 01:04:26,740
miles from Kingman and it was not only

1306
01:04:32,339 --> 01:04:29,319
witnessed there was error to ground

1307
01:04:34,829 --> 01:04:32,349
ground error conversation from the Radio

1308
01:04:39,540 --> 01:04:34,839
Shack because the tower was no longer in

1309
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:39,550
use it was deserted this this is a whole

1310
01:04:46,140 --> 01:04:41,440
nother event you're talking about yeah

1311
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:46,150
yeah before Roswell yeah so I'm saying

1312
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:49,810
this it's like news didn't travel very

1313
01:04:53,789 --> 01:04:50,650
far

1314
01:04:56,370 --> 01:04:53,799
back then because if you didn't have a

1315
01:04:58,650 --> 01:04:56,380
rotary phone you had a phone that was in

1316
01:05:00,420 --> 01:04:58,660
a wooden box and you turned a handle and

1317
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:00,430
you got a dry cell in it and you're

1318
01:05:05,730 --> 01:05:02,410
running it on wires and insulators or

1319
01:05:08,460 --> 01:05:05,740
cups or dishes or whatever nailed to a

1320
01:05:11,970 --> 01:05:08,470
tree to talk to people and people and

1321
01:05:14,849 --> 01:05:11,980
Roswell New Mexico didn't have any idea

1322
01:05:17,249 --> 01:05:14,859
what was going on in Kingman people in

1323
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:17,259
press kit hundred thirty-five miles on

1324
01:05:21,900 --> 01:05:19,930
the road less than a hundred by air to

1325
01:05:24,509 --> 01:05:21,910
fresque it from Kingman had no idea

1326
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:24,519
what's going on here and vice-versa

1327
01:05:32,220 --> 01:05:28,930
because there was no television in 1947

1328
01:05:34,559 --> 01:05:32,230
there was no radio stations you know so

1329
01:05:38,039 --> 01:05:34,569
it's like this is a totally different

1330
01:05:40,140 --> 01:05:38,049
world the the the highway going out of

1331
01:05:42,749 --> 01:05:40,150
Kingman there's only two route 66

1332
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:42,759
longest stretch still in existence it's

1333
01:05:50,989 --> 01:05:44,170
here okay

1334
01:05:54,420 --> 01:05:50,999
and the other was highway 93 from

1335
01:05:56,940 --> 01:05:54,430
basically Las Vegas or groom Lake down

1336
01:05:59,579 --> 01:05:56,950
to Las Vegas down to Kingman they paved

1337
01:06:01,559 --> 01:05:59,589
in 1951 you wouldn't believe what that

1338
01:06:05,009 --> 01:06:01,569
payroll road looks like there's pieces

1339
01:06:06,989 --> 01:06:05,019
of it left and it's like a snake and and

1340
01:06:09,660 --> 01:06:06,999
it got to kingman there was no more

1341
01:06:12,839 --> 01:06:09,670
paved road the road that went south out

1342
01:06:15,839 --> 01:06:12,849
of kingman was sand and dirt they graded

1343
01:06:17,940 --> 01:06:15,849
and it went all the way to what is

1344
01:06:21,569 --> 01:06:17,950
called wickiup and from wickiup to

1345
01:06:27,029 --> 01:06:21,579
Wickenburg and Phoenix was a wagon road

1346
01:06:29,309 --> 01:06:27,039
in 1915 hmm okay so the this things are

1347
01:06:30,299 --> 01:06:29,319
way different and and as a historian one

1348
01:06:32,249 --> 01:06:30,309
of the things you do is you could have

1349
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:32,259
stopped and you got to move back

1350
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:34,569
mentally to the period so you can

1351
01:06:37,979 --> 01:06:35,920
understand what's going on there's

1352
01:06:41,759 --> 01:06:37,989
nothing wrong with the intellect

1353
01:06:45,749 --> 01:06:41,769
it's that technology had not where we

1354
01:06:47,579 --> 01:06:45,759
are now had not arrived in 1950-53 you

1355
01:06:50,549 --> 01:06:47,589
know this like color TV you kidding

1356
01:06:53,489 --> 01:06:50,559
maybe it'll add someplace but not for

1357
01:06:57,299 --> 01:06:53,499
real let alone black and white as far as

1358
01:06:59,940 --> 01:06:57,309
here and so those types of things are

1359
01:07:02,640 --> 01:06:59,950
issues that have to be considered but

1360
01:07:04,260 --> 01:07:02,650
it's a dirt road and the northern

1361
01:07:07,470 --> 01:07:04,270
boundary

1362
01:07:09,810 --> 01:07:07,480
of eicken dick I've gone out the old

1363
01:07:16,130 --> 01:07:09,820
road which is the northern boundary of

1364
01:07:19,950 --> 01:07:16,140
1953 kingman and it's it's next to the

1365
01:07:23,850 --> 01:07:19,960
the big highway interstate 1 the highway

1366
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:23,860
40 that i told you about that one of the

1367
01:07:30,830 --> 01:07:27,610
leading UFO group says and I'm not

1368
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:30,840
talking about MUFON says that the UFO

1369
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:35,290
was taken out 40 all the way to Nevada

1370
01:07:42,180 --> 01:07:38,490
and then a Halloween 95 so they closed

1371
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:42,190
245 miles of highway to move a UFO 19

1372
01:07:46,590 --> 01:07:44,170
miles you know so it doesn't make a lot

1373
01:07:48,330 --> 01:07:46,600
of sense because it isn't true and the

1374
01:07:53,250 --> 01:07:48,340
people didn't they didn't get that in

1375
01:07:56,250 --> 01:07:53,260
research they made it up so but the

1376
01:07:59,310 --> 01:07:56,260
spooky parts about this is finding

1377
01:08:03,450 --> 01:07:59,320
evidence real evidence that something

1378
01:08:08,430 --> 01:08:03,460
really did happen and the found 11 well

1379
01:08:12,330 --> 01:08:08,440
see rancher Leonard Neal who came up

1380
01:08:15,380 --> 01:08:12,340
from the Big Sandy River down by wickiup

1381
01:08:20,010 --> 01:08:15,390
came up and settled into the Kingman

1382
01:08:24,570 --> 01:08:20,020
Hualapai Valley Inn and and the Red Lake

1383
01:08:27,470 --> 01:08:24,580
area in the late 1800s and almost

1384
01:08:31,289 --> 01:08:27,480
everybody of the Alzheimer's or related

1385
01:08:33,420 --> 01:08:31,299
to him almost everybody including the

1386
01:08:37,559 --> 01:08:33,430
current archaeologist for the Bureau of

1387
01:08:41,519 --> 01:08:37,569
Land Management okay and the the motto

1388
01:08:43,789 --> 01:08:41,529
is that the the old loose lips sink

1389
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:43,799
ships they don't tell anybody anything

1390
01:08:50,250 --> 01:08:47,410
okay and they learned that very well

1391
01:08:53,010 --> 01:08:50,260
during World War two where even though

1392
01:08:55,829 --> 01:08:53,020
there was undeclared martial law there

1393
01:08:59,460 --> 01:08:55,839
was local law here and they went to

1394
01:09:02,640 --> 01:08:59,470
blackout periods and if a UFO landed and

1395
01:09:04,829 --> 01:09:02,650
their front yard and they were told you

1396
01:09:07,500 --> 01:09:04,839
don't talk about it they don't say

1397
01:09:10,440 --> 01:09:07,510
anything and they took that along with a

1398
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:10,450
high degree of patriotism and they moved

1399
01:09:17,519 --> 01:09:13,600
forward in time to like the 60s and the

1400
01:09:18,269 --> 01:09:17,529
70s and they don't tell I've had I've

1401
01:09:20,900 --> 01:09:18,279
had car

1402
01:09:25,499 --> 01:09:20,910
from old-timers saying there's some

1403
01:09:27,390 --> 01:09:25,509
noted a UFO paranormal author this guy

1404
01:09:29,430 --> 01:09:27,400
was here and he was asking questions

1405
01:09:31,890 --> 01:09:29,440
around trying to find some witnesses and

1406
01:09:34,289 --> 01:09:31,900
I get a call you know there's this guy

1407
01:09:35,789 --> 01:09:34,299
you're trying to find out you know it's

1408
01:09:38,610 --> 01:09:35,799
like they don't like it then I gotta say

1409
01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:38,620
anything we had a city attorney for the

1410
01:09:41,970 --> 01:09:40,480
city of Kingman for ten years

1411
01:09:44,999 --> 01:09:41,980
try to get somebody tell him something

1412
01:09:48,570 --> 01:09:45,009
they never did you know and it's like

1413
01:09:51,180 --> 01:09:48,580
these are all part of the things and so

1414
01:09:53,340 --> 01:09:51,190
that's why my connection with century

1415
01:09:56,100 --> 01:09:53,350
families I sit in on luncheons with them

1416
01:09:57,840 --> 01:09:56,110
where it's a closed room and they talk

1417
01:10:00,180 --> 01:09:57,850
about what they want to talk about and

1418
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:00,190
that includes this and there are some

1419
01:10:05,220 --> 01:10:02,530
things that I that I don't convey I

1420
01:10:07,770 --> 01:10:05,230
won't not there it'll go as a matter of

1421
01:10:09,690 --> 01:10:07,780
history all my work will be duplicated

1422
01:10:11,370 --> 01:10:09,700
and it's going to go to two museums

1423
01:10:15,210 --> 01:10:11,380
different museums to different states

1424
01:10:17,850 --> 01:10:15,220
that sort of goes and then the the

1425
01:10:20,670 --> 01:10:17,860
published aspects of it and the

1426
01:10:23,610 --> 01:10:20,680
documentary or or how we end up on on

1427
01:10:26,580 --> 01:10:23,620
that part will end up where the public

1428
01:10:32,790 --> 01:10:26,590
gets a correct as long as I'm involved

1429
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:32,800
gets the correct story and and then at

1430
01:10:37,020 --> 01:10:34,960
some point in time they can look at

1431
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:37,030
reference material and the museum or

1432
01:10:44,790 --> 01:10:39,930
something or look at one of the the

1433
01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:44,800
larger limited edition full-color things

1434
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:46,960
to go to music music on libraries and

1435
01:10:52,170 --> 01:10:49,570
universities so the thing goes the

1436
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:52,180
reference library and look at it that'll

1437
01:10:56,490 --> 01:10:54,850
help a lot and and the visuals say you

1438
01:10:58,860 --> 01:10:56,500
know the thousand words and a picture

1439
01:11:04,140 --> 01:10:58,870
then then there's millions of words

1440
01:11:07,230 --> 01:11:04,150
there yeah now there was some witnesses

1441
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:07,240
that now did you speak to witnesses

1442
01:11:12,780 --> 01:11:10,170
firsthand that said they saw these I

1443
01:11:15,810 --> 01:11:12,790
interview annoys is that on I'm an

1444
01:11:19,410 --> 01:11:15,820
overview on camera I see the ones that

1445
01:11:21,660 --> 01:11:19,420
actually said they saw the humanoids yes

1446
01:11:23,910 --> 01:11:21,670
okay I haven't mentioned that yeah you

1447
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:23,920
did I haven't mentioned humanoids at all

1448
01:11:29,540 --> 01:11:27,010
uh yeah the strange-looking people you

1449
01:11:31,950 --> 01:11:29,550
said that were in the jail cell

1450
01:11:35,670 --> 01:11:31,960
strange-looking two strange-looking men

1451
01:11:37,770 --> 01:11:35,680
yes yeah so uh I was before there were

1452
01:11:41,670 --> 01:11:37,780
four living crew members standing

1453
01:11:44,490 --> 01:11:41,680
outside the craft when when two hours

1454
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:44,500
after the two hours had transpired for

1455
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:47,170
the air force to dispatch a retrieval

1456
01:11:52,020 --> 01:11:50,770
team to the Kingman Airport and meet up

1457
01:11:56,970 --> 01:11:52,030
with people brought in from another

1458
01:11:59,940 --> 01:11:56,980
location who had military police okay

1459
01:12:03,440 --> 01:11:59,950
and they went out to the site you can't

1460
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:03,450
go the same way now that they went then

1461
01:12:11,550 --> 01:12:07,690
because roads have changed okay and this

1462
01:12:14,070 --> 01:12:11,560
road is cut off now one place but not

1463
01:12:16,530 --> 01:12:14,080
that it makes a lot of difference and I

1464
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:16,540
can certainly sure anybody wants to see

1465
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:21,370
down but the the area where the landing

1466
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:29,410
occurred and has the airforce relics is

1467
01:12:37,530 --> 01:12:36,370
an archaeological site now and nobody's

1468
01:12:40,350 --> 01:12:37,540
got to be able to mess with it

1469
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:40,360
souvenir hunters are out of luck it's

1470
01:12:46,170 --> 01:12:44,050
same with the red light crash okay not

1471
01:12:48,930 --> 01:12:46,180
only do you have to cross properties

1472
01:12:51,900 --> 01:12:48,940
that you'd be trespassing on you'd also

1473
01:12:54,450 --> 01:12:51,910
be interfering with an area that's owned

1474
01:12:57,150 --> 01:12:54,460
by the federal government as well as

1475
01:12:59,850 --> 01:12:57,160
being on some other private land after

1476
01:13:03,840 --> 01:12:59,860
you cross several properties that won't

1477
01:13:07,140 --> 01:13:03,850
let you there now and so the whole

1478
01:13:10,530 --> 01:13:07,150
thing's kind of closed up what I did is

1479
01:13:15,420 --> 01:13:10,540
I interviewed as many people including

1480
01:13:20,490 --> 01:13:15,430
the last living deputy from then okay

1481
01:13:23,490 --> 01:13:20,500
and my last conversation with him was he

1482
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:23,500
could barely talk and the person who was

1483
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:26,320
looking out for him was taking him to a

1484
01:13:36,150 --> 01:13:29,770
cardiologist artists and that was the

1485
01:13:40,979 --> 01:13:36,160
end of that so but the last surviving

1486
01:13:45,570 --> 01:13:40,989
member of the US Air Force retrieval

1487
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:45,580
team was a young airman he retired as a

1488
01:13:49,380 --> 01:13:47,050
lieutenant colonel in the United States

1489
01:13:52,470 --> 01:13:49,390
Air Force also a test pilot and stuff

1490
01:13:54,420 --> 01:13:52,480
yours and yours later along with another

1491
01:13:57,990 --> 01:13:54,430
Lieutenant Colonel I uncovered as a

1492
01:14:00,030 --> 01:13:58,000
result of that and and then interviewed

1493
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:00,040
it sunny years listen to both these

1494
01:14:04,290 --> 01:14:02,170
Colonel's talking about it and laughing

1495
01:14:06,440 --> 01:14:04,300
about some of the stories that we're

1496
01:14:12,090 --> 01:14:06,450
being told but what they found

1497
01:14:15,330 --> 01:14:12,100
this is 1953 what's going on there were

1498
01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:15,340
UFO movies a lot of some pretty corny

1499
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:19,840
things and then there was the 1953 there

1500
01:14:26,310 --> 01:14:22,890
was The Day the Earth Stood Still and

1501
01:14:28,740 --> 01:14:26,320
Martians and and so there was an

1502
01:14:31,170 --> 01:14:28,750
expectation for these guys they were

1503
01:14:34,530 --> 01:14:31,180
going to see individuals with antennas

1504
01:14:38,010 --> 01:14:34,540
out of their head and big eyes and teeth

1505
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:38,020
and claws and all this stuff and and so

1506
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:42,000
when they pulled up with this army truck

1507
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:45,730
there were four crew members standing

1508
01:14:55,010 --> 01:14:48,250
outside of the craft because it won't

1509
01:14:57,570 --> 01:14:55,020
fly and I am pretty sure I know why now

1510
01:15:00,510 --> 01:14:57,580
they were the way they were at the time

1511
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:00,520
because the the Air Force never had a

1512
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:03,970
clue because something else happened in

1513
01:15:10,440 --> 01:15:07,090
and around that period with other craft

1514
01:15:13,290 --> 01:15:10,450
other crew that nobody was really aware

1515
01:15:18,870 --> 01:15:13,300
of then it became intense a few days

1516
01:15:23,010 --> 01:15:18,880
later on the 21st but so they were the

1517
01:15:25,290 --> 01:15:23,020
top-secret yeah there's a lot of people

1518
01:15:26,490 --> 01:15:25,300
talking about well you know they should

1519
01:15:28,410 --> 01:15:26,500
have interview at home and did this

1520
01:15:30,630 --> 01:15:28,420
under done this is a retrieval team

1521
01:15:31,290 --> 01:15:30,640
their job is to pick them up get them

1522
01:15:33,180 --> 01:15:31,300
out of there

1523
01:15:36,060 --> 01:15:33,190
recover the bodies recover the craft

1524
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:36,070
whatever it is that went down it's not

1525
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:38,770
ours and get it out of there and and

1526
01:15:43,110 --> 01:15:42,130
don't do it in a public way and this is

1527
01:15:46,260 --> 01:15:43,120
in the middle of nowhere

1528
01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:46,270
well they had to send a vehicle out or

1529
01:15:52,500 --> 01:15:49,120
the walkie-talkie to try to talk over

1530
01:15:55,140 --> 01:15:52,510
the radio with the people they're in

1531
01:15:59,130 --> 01:15:55,150
touch with to relay on to get things

1532
01:15:59,880 --> 01:15:59,140
they need and right now there's no cell

1533
01:16:02,250 --> 01:15:59,890
signal there

1534
01:16:05,190 --> 01:16:02,260
there's I mean it's the same problem

1535
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:05,200
there's it's a dead zone out where this

1536
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:08,650
is and and it's not someplace people

1537
01:16:12,990 --> 01:16:10,930
should room anyways dangerous a lot of

1538
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:13,000
javelina a mountain-lion to come down

1539
01:16:18,540 --> 01:16:15,250
through there and to have Alena attack

1540
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:18,550
you're like a wild boar and and their

1541
01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:20,650
temperament is they see you they're just

1542
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:24,490
probably going to attack you and so but

1543
01:16:30,660 --> 01:16:29,050
it's not a tourist area but the crew

1544
01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:30,670
were loaded up immediately

1545
01:16:37,650 --> 01:16:34,080
four member crew they were uninjured

1546
01:16:40,440 --> 01:16:37,660
they they got into a vehicle and they

1547
01:16:42,570 --> 01:16:40,450
were promptly taken to grimly it's as

1548
01:16:46,440 --> 01:16:42,580
simple as that when they were handed off

1549
01:16:48,870 --> 01:16:46,450
the retrieval team was sent back they're

1550
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:48,880
not told anything because what happens

1551
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:51,090
next there is none of their business

1552
01:16:56,070 --> 01:16:54,010
this is what happened when the craft was

1553
01:16:58,050 --> 01:16:56,080
taken out of there

1554
01:17:04,530 --> 01:16:58,060
late in the evening well in the early

1555
01:17:06,860 --> 01:17:04,540
hours actually of the 22nd and it was

1556
01:17:09,540 --> 01:17:06,870
looked at for the last time by a

1557
01:17:11,850 --> 01:17:09,550
physicist that was brought in from quite

1558
01:17:15,380 --> 01:17:11,860
a distance the Air Force went to his

1559
01:17:18,090 --> 01:17:15,390
home and this is another eyewitness and

1560
01:17:19,470 --> 01:17:18,100
told him to grab a coat because were

1561
01:17:23,370 --> 01:17:19,480
they going it's gonna be cold

1562
01:17:25,380 --> 01:17:23,380
that's boy that's really accurate and he

1563
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:25,390
was taken and then by that time there a

1564
01:17:33,420 --> 01:17:28,330
had it on a 30-foot 38 foot trailer

1565
01:17:37,710 --> 01:17:33,430
being fooled by a m25 tank transporter

1566
01:17:40,590 --> 01:17:37,720
which was rated 40 ton and a 30-foot

1567
01:17:43,620 --> 01:17:40,600
craft was on a 38 foot trailer and it

1568
01:17:47,310 --> 01:17:43,630
sitting at a bit of an incline tilt and

1569
01:17:50,430 --> 01:17:47,320
they were going to take it over Boulder

1570
01:17:53,340 --> 01:17:50,440
Dam hoover dam so everybody knows which

1571
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:53,350
one it's we call it Boulder at the

1572
01:17:58,020 --> 01:17:56,170
moment next to Boulder City he could not

1573
01:18:02,310 --> 01:17:58,030
cross the dam because it's too wide and

1574
01:18:05,670 --> 01:18:02,320
the Army Corps of Engineers set up and

1575
01:18:09,510 --> 01:18:05,680
had a barge and they brought stuff up

1576
01:18:12,030 --> 01:18:09,520
from camp Irwin okay later and we call

1577
01:18:13,710 --> 01:18:12,040
it Fort Irwin and it's trained its

1578
01:18:16,860 --> 01:18:13,720
designation changed and

1579
01:18:20,550 --> 01:18:16,870
19:51 from infantry to armor that's

1580
01:18:22,170 --> 01:18:20,560
where the m25 tanks transport came from

1581
01:18:24,270 --> 01:18:22,180
on the trailer along with some other

1582
01:18:26,790 --> 01:18:24,280
heavy equipment that were loaded on flat

1583
01:18:30,690 --> 01:18:26,800
cars and brought four miles south of

1584
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:30,700
Kingman and offloaded in the middle of

1585
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:31,330
the night

1586
01:18:35,030 --> 01:18:33,520
they drove through Kingman let me tell

1587
01:18:37,470 --> 01:18:35,040
you the sheriff got a lot of complaints

1588
01:18:40,410 --> 01:18:37,480
he went out with the undershirt by the

1589
01:18:42,900 --> 01:18:40,420
way to where are the landing site is and

1590
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:42,910
were stopped by military police who had

1591
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:45,610
a roadblock and they argued and this is

1592
01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:48,400
a well-known story ER passed down by the

1593
01:18:54,180 --> 01:18:51,760
by the family as well yeah they tried

1594
01:18:55,770 --> 01:18:54,190
for 15 minutes under Authority as

1595
01:18:56,910 --> 01:18:55,780
sheriff and all those things to get

1596
01:19:00,440 --> 01:18:56,920
passed they wanted to see the commanding

1597
01:19:02,730 --> 01:19:00,450
officer they were turned away period and

1598
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:02,740
so they weren't allowed to see what it

1599
01:19:05,190 --> 01:19:03,130
is

1600
01:19:08,810 --> 01:19:05,200
Arthur stands for by the way was told it

1601
01:19:11,610 --> 01:19:08,820
was a super-secret experimental aircraft

1602
01:19:13,260 --> 01:19:11,620
and he didn't know for two weeks and fat

1603
01:19:17,190 --> 01:19:13,270
that what had been looking at that had

1604
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:17,200
no scenes was not one of ours

1605
01:19:23,610 --> 01:19:20,770
and and he didn't he didn't actually see

1606
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:23,620
living crew members and but he was told

1607
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:25,570
by some guy there briefly before an MP

1608
01:19:31,740 --> 01:19:27,850
shut him up because I'm not supposed to

1609
01:19:35,370 --> 01:19:31,750
talk to each other now that he had heard

1610
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:35,380
that there was what looked like a corpse

1611
01:19:42,690 --> 01:19:40,330
laying on a and a nearby tent and of

1612
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:42,700
course if anybody saw anything I'd be a

1613
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:47,410
a fluke it's dark and both sides of the

1614
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:49,810
craft the softs are sitting there or lit

1615
01:19:58,140 --> 01:19:53,530
up by a pair of all lights brilliant

1616
01:19:59,400 --> 01:19:58,150
carbon arc light which Arthur Santos

1617
01:20:01,800 --> 01:19:59,410
said you couldn't see anything outside

1618
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:01,810
of away from the craft you were blinded

1619
01:20:06,540 --> 01:20:03,730
by the lines he thought he was on the

1620
01:20:07,860 --> 01:20:06,550
desert flat and he wasn't he was it or

1621
01:20:11,610 --> 01:20:07,870
the base of the mountain meets the

1622
01:20:14,460 --> 01:20:11,620
desert almost that but so the crew was

1623
01:20:16,650 --> 01:20:14,470
taken away the two that were taken off

1624
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:16,660
the mountain that was on fire and was

1625
01:20:21,030 --> 01:20:17,530
front-page news

1626
01:20:23,460 --> 01:20:21,040
burned for a week out of control 1953

1627
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:23,470
firefighting technology was they took

1628
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:26,410
big metal round buckets or about five

1629
01:20:29,630 --> 01:20:27,690
and a half feet

1630
01:20:33,229 --> 01:20:29,640
lying about a foot deep he fill him up

1631
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:33,239
galvanized big tubs and you're so gonna

1632
01:20:37,939 --> 01:20:36,090
sax in them and you beat the brush with

1633
01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:37,949
wet bags weight gunnysacks

1634
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:41,280
and use shovels and the latest science

1635
01:20:47,570 --> 01:20:44,610
was backpack copper tank was water and a

1636
01:20:50,450 --> 01:20:47,580
little hose and a grass pump to squirt

1637
01:20:52,340 --> 01:20:50,460
water like a big water gun and they were

1638
01:20:54,229 --> 01:20:52,350
waiting for a bulldozer they have any

1639
01:20:56,420 --> 01:20:54,239
air tankers there any that stuff's

1640
01:20:59,660 --> 01:20:56,430
didn't exist and there was to the

1641
01:21:02,540 --> 01:20:59,670
mountain there's no faucets or fire

1642
01:21:08,630 --> 01:21:02,550
hydrants or anything that's so and those

1643
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:08,640
two the two that were at the courthouse

1644
01:21:14,930 --> 01:21:12,210
in the interrogation room vanished off

1645
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:14,940
the face of the earth and Harry Houdini

1646
01:21:20,510 --> 01:21:16,650
would still be trying to work on how to

1647
01:21:26,540 --> 01:21:20,520
do that to living crew members were

1648
01:21:29,450 --> 01:21:26,550
rescued from the Red Lake crash - it

1649
01:21:33,590 --> 01:21:29,460
didn't make a soft landing it hit a

1650
01:21:35,780 --> 01:21:33,600
butte as it came down just didn't quite

1651
01:21:40,850 --> 01:21:35,790
clear the top of the Butte the scars

1652
01:21:43,250 --> 01:21:40,860
there and it's 0.2 miles or it overshot

1653
01:21:46,130 --> 01:21:43,260
what was called foo tank which is a

1654
01:21:46,729 --> 01:21:46,140
livestock reservoir that belong to their

1655
01:21:49,340 --> 01:21:46,739
owner

1656
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:49,350
Leonard nailed the rancher who was 11

1657
01:21:55,310 --> 01:21:51,930
other residents there watched this

1658
01:21:57,050 --> 01:21:55,320
happened and the craft went it

1659
01:21:59,510 --> 01:21:57,060
ricocheted off the top of the rocky

1660
01:21:59,990 --> 01:21:59,520
Butte it gutted the lower front of the

1661
01:22:03,650 --> 01:22:00,000
craft

1662
01:22:07,430 --> 01:22:03,660
it rained pieces of UFO as it went down

1663
01:22:09,380 --> 01:22:07,440
two of the crew suffered severe lower

1664
01:22:12,860 --> 01:22:09,390
extremity hemming injuries to their legs

1665
01:22:15,709 --> 01:22:12,870
they were rushed to Nellis and they died

1666
01:22:21,380 --> 01:22:15,719
there the other two who were roughed up

1667
01:22:24,170 --> 01:22:21,390
but okay were taken to Crumley that

1668
01:22:28,010 --> 01:22:24,180
meant that meant you had four from the

1669
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:28,020
first two from Red Lake and two from

1670
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:33,090
well that's it six okay the other two

1671
01:22:40,220 --> 01:22:36,449
that left from the the concrete vault

1672
01:22:43,460 --> 01:22:40,230
nobody knows where they were nobody

1673
01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:43,470
I know they were inside a room locked

1674
01:22:47,300 --> 01:22:45,840
inside a room that's locked twice with

1675
01:22:49,580 --> 01:22:47,310
three deputies and a force service

1676
01:22:52,220 --> 01:22:49,590
worker by the door yeah you know so

1677
01:22:54,830 --> 01:22:52,230
people say well did this these aren't

1678
01:22:57,410 --> 01:22:54,840
the droids you won't open the door we're

1679
01:23:00,729 --> 01:22:57,420
not here you know I have no idea and

1680
01:23:04,820 --> 01:23:00,739
this is I can't tell you nobody knows so

1681
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:04,830
I wonder did they pursue the did they

1682
01:23:09,770 --> 01:23:06,480
pursue these like an all-points bulletin

1683
01:23:12,470 --> 01:23:09,780
type of thing no they did not and that's

1684
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:12,480
an absolute clash with what sure of

1685
01:23:18,970 --> 01:23:15,600
Porter did in 1950 because there's

1686
01:23:22,580 --> 01:23:18,980
another one and there were five and

1687
01:23:25,460 --> 01:23:22,590
there was a craft and they were

1688
01:23:29,150 --> 01:23:25,470
described by a army army national guard

1689
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:29,160
captain who came because his craft came

1690
01:23:36,020 --> 01:23:32,489
down and one mile one mile away from

1691
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:36,030
where one would crash in 1953 this craft

1692
01:23:41,750 --> 01:23:38,610
went down not far from a sawmill

1693
01:23:43,729 --> 01:23:41,760
because the wallet by mountain is it's

1694
01:23:46,370 --> 01:23:43,739
like the Rockies it's covered with

1695
01:23:48,130 --> 01:23:46,380
timber and forests and elk and all of

1696
01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:48,140
the things you find in mountain country

1697
01:23:56,510 --> 01:23:54,000
and down in a location of what we call

1698
01:24:00,410 --> 01:23:56,520
the wallet by Mountain Park today 16

1699
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:00,420
miles out of Kingman general Kingman

1700
01:24:11,150 --> 01:24:07,530
area there were three men individuals

1701
01:24:13,550 --> 01:24:11,160
that were noticed by an Army National

1702
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:13,560
Guard captain who was coming down the

1703
01:24:17,900 --> 01:24:16,050
mountain to get more supplies because

1704
01:24:22,250 --> 01:24:17,910
they're fighting the fire that people

1705
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:22,260
said a disc fell and hit the mountain

1706
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:25,410
and um and the fire came a disc some

1707
01:24:30,410 --> 01:24:28,010
kind of a disc that they weren't saying

1708
01:24:33,110 --> 01:24:30,420
it was a flying saucer or anything else

1709
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:33,120
just something fell hit the mountain

1710
01:24:38,570 --> 01:24:35,489
started a fire and so they have to deal

1711
01:24:39,470 --> 01:24:38,580
with the fire technology in 1950 and 53

1712
01:24:42,050 --> 01:24:39,480
were identical

1713
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:42,060
there was no way there was no high

1714
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:45,120
science and firefighting like way of now

1715
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:50,730
and so he the captain slowed down and he

1716
01:24:54,140 --> 01:24:52,410
looked in and they all looked like they

1717
01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:54,150
were burned their clothes were burned

1718
01:25:00,440 --> 01:24:56,850
one of them looked pretty bad as far as

1719
01:25:05,870 --> 01:25:00,450
the the person being burned and so he

1720
01:25:11,390 --> 01:25:05,880
helped these other two men load this man

1721
01:25:14,810 --> 01:25:11,400
in the back of this small truck and he

1722
01:25:18,290 --> 01:25:14,820
headed off for Kingman General Hospital

1723
01:25:22,130 --> 01:25:18,300
and as they approached as they got down

1724
01:25:29,300 --> 01:25:22,140
to Kingman old town population then

1725
01:25:33,430 --> 01:25:29,310
about 2,800 the man who is nearest the

1726
01:25:35,630 --> 01:25:33,440
door the passenger door said oh look and

1727
01:25:38,090 --> 01:25:35,640
pointed out the windshield

1728
01:25:40,550 --> 01:25:38,100
well his half of the windshield with a

1729
01:25:43,580 --> 01:25:40,560
steel bar and at all and he said that

1730
01:25:46,130 --> 01:25:43,590
looks like our ambulance now

1731
01:25:48,380 --> 01:25:46,140
you have to understand there are only

1732
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:48,390
two roads in and out of Kingman the only

1733
01:25:55,220 --> 01:25:52,770
hospital anywhere is in Kingman the next

1734
01:25:58,340 --> 01:25:55,230
place you're gonna have to go is needles

1735
01:26:00,530 --> 01:25:58,350
California that's a long way and vlas

1736
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:00,540
Vegas and even further you know if

1737
01:26:04,910 --> 01:26:02,610
you've got tip of a serious injury you

1738
01:26:06,950 --> 01:26:04,920
know and and they general admission they

1739
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:06,960
didn't have ers but they had an

1740
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:08,970
emergency treatment room but what they

1741
01:26:12,590 --> 01:26:10,410
weren't calling it er like would do now

1742
01:26:15,970 --> 01:26:12,600
and and and so they were going to the

1743
01:26:20,990 --> 01:26:15,980
right place at the right time and and so

1744
01:26:22,820 --> 01:26:21,000
the the captain said later it looked it

1745
01:26:25,010 --> 01:26:22,830
looked like it was an ambulance

1746
01:26:27,140 --> 01:26:25,020
so he's pulled up behind and his thought

1747
01:26:29,210 --> 01:26:27,150
that he got up and he walked up to the

1748
01:26:32,090 --> 01:26:29,220
man sitting behind the wheel on the

1749
01:26:36,140 --> 01:26:32,100
driver's side and they said who are you

1750
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:36,150
and the man said why on the ambulance

1751
01:26:41,540 --> 01:26:39,570
driver and the National Guard caps I'm

1752
01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:41,550
leaned down and look toward the the one

1753
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:42,960
on the passenger seat and he said well

1754
01:26:47,210 --> 01:26:45,210
who are you doing he said well no I'm

1755
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:47,220
the aide who helps the patient of the

1756
01:26:54,440 --> 01:26:52,170
entrance and so he helped unload the man

1757
01:26:56,150 --> 01:26:54,450
from the back of the army truck and

1758
01:26:59,600 --> 01:26:56,160
Twitter him in the back of the ambulance

1759
01:27:01,790 --> 01:26:59,610
and the other two men got into the back

1760
01:27:04,010 --> 01:27:01,800
of what looked like an ambulance

1761
01:27:07,169 --> 01:27:04,020
and they pulled away from the front of

1762
01:27:09,870 --> 01:27:07,179
the hospital and then

1763
01:27:12,149 --> 01:27:09,880
within a couple of minutes sure Porter

1764
01:27:14,310 --> 01:27:12,159
pulled up screech to a stop and jumped

1765
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:14,320
out of his car and he said did you just

1766
01:27:18,810 --> 01:27:17,170
pick up three men looked like they'd

1767
01:27:21,149 --> 01:27:18,820
been burned or something and he said

1768
01:27:23,340 --> 01:27:21,159
yeah I just me so are they and I said I

1769
01:27:25,580 --> 01:27:23,350
just loaded him in an ambulance

1770
01:27:29,209 --> 01:27:25,590
and they just left going that way and

1771
01:27:34,189 --> 01:27:29,219
Porter according to the newspaper story

1772
01:27:36,180 --> 01:27:34,199
said you you loaded him an ambulance

1773
01:27:38,459 --> 01:27:36,190
there at the hospital

1774
01:27:40,919 --> 01:27:38,469
and he immediately called for an

1775
01:27:42,660 --> 01:27:40,929
all-points bulletin and he shut down the

1776
01:27:45,060 --> 01:27:42,670
roads out of it's only two roads you

1777
01:27:47,550 --> 01:27:45,070
remember that only two roads all-points

1778
01:27:51,510 --> 01:27:47,560
bulletin in town the State Highway

1779
01:27:53,729 --> 01:27:51,520
Patrol closed off access going out of

1780
01:27:55,830 --> 01:27:53,739
about five miles that it came in no way

1781
01:28:00,209 --> 01:27:55,840
no way you're gonna get out of here and

1782
01:28:02,490 --> 01:28:00,219
very simple and and so as the National

1783
01:28:05,370 --> 01:28:02,500
Guard captain said as he went on with a

1784
01:28:08,189 --> 01:28:05,380
story talk he said well it looked like

1785
01:28:10,979 --> 01:28:08,199
an ambulance and then pretty sent first

1786
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:10,989
pretty soon he said and while it kind of

1787
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:12,730
looked like an ambulance it might and

1788
01:28:22,490 --> 01:28:15,850
but what happened is the vehicle and the

1789
01:28:26,250 --> 01:28:22,500
five vanished in care they were gone

1790
01:28:30,209 --> 01:28:26,260
they never found anything at all

1791
01:28:32,060 --> 01:28:30,219
and so sheriff Porter and I thought this

1792
01:28:34,860 --> 01:28:32,070
is very strange as I've read the stuff

1793
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:34,870
when he was informed and they stepped

1794
01:28:38,189 --> 01:28:36,370
into the room and the two

1795
01:28:40,919 --> 01:28:38,199
strange-looking men were no longer there

1796
01:28:43,350 --> 01:28:40,929
I know this is Twilight Zone stuff this

1797
01:28:45,930 --> 01:28:43,360
is science fiction you know this isn't

1798
01:28:49,410 --> 01:28:45,940
what a historian one's into and I mean

1799
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:49,420
you just don't and it's like so the next

1800
01:28:54,030 --> 01:28:51,130
thing I expected was an all-points

1801
01:28:56,399 --> 01:28:54,040
bulletin close on off the courthouse you

1802
01:28:58,979 --> 01:28:56,409
know close off downtown it's only six

1803
01:29:02,880 --> 01:28:58,989
blocks you know there's only two other

1804
01:29:05,070 --> 01:29:02,890
roads nobody comes and goes out of 1950

1805
01:29:08,790 --> 01:29:05,080
or 1953 Kingman without being seen on

1806
01:29:11,700 --> 01:29:08,800
the road and and believe me you can't

1807
01:29:15,030 --> 01:29:11,710
just go anywhere any other way because

1808
01:29:16,410 --> 01:29:15,040
the terrain won't allow that but he

1809
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:16,420
didn't do anything it's like he turned

1810
01:29:21,089 --> 01:29:19,810
to the Forest Service Worker Joe and

1811
01:29:21,959 --> 01:29:21,099
said something like Joe

1812
01:29:26,099 --> 01:29:21,969
what are you having for dinner tonight

1813
01:29:30,299 --> 01:29:26,109
they just didn't do anything and I don't

1814
01:29:33,719 --> 01:29:30,309
know if the 1950 experience was enough

1815
01:29:36,739 --> 01:29:33,729
to make him realize that he was dealing

1816
01:29:40,379 --> 01:29:36,749
with the same kind of people or entity

1817
01:29:42,719 --> 01:29:40,389
or one I can't answer that question but

1818
01:29:44,759 --> 01:29:42,729
I can tell you and one end since he did

1819
01:29:47,580 --> 01:29:44,769
everything right and everything you

1820
01:29:51,599 --> 01:29:47,590
could possibly do to intercept people

1821
01:29:56,069 --> 01:29:51,609
fleeing and the next one he did nothing

1822
01:29:58,169 --> 01:29:56,079
and of course there's no way those two

1823
01:30:01,199 --> 01:29:58,179
could have gotten out of the room I can

1824
01:30:02,669 --> 01:30:01,209
testify to that without and soak in the

1825
01:30:04,859 --> 01:30:02,679
courts the head of the court security

1826
01:30:08,159 --> 01:30:04,869
there's no way out you know an aunt

1827
01:30:10,319 --> 01:30:08,169
can't get in there nothing can't get in

1828
01:30:15,149 --> 01:30:10,329
around it's been that way since the day

1829
01:30:18,209 --> 01:30:15,159
the building was constructed in 1915 now

1830
01:30:21,779 --> 01:30:18,219
what were some of the purported unusual

1831
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:21,789
physical features of the so called crew

1832
01:30:30,179 --> 01:30:27,090
members they look like they look like us

1833
01:30:35,250 --> 01:30:30,189
and when when I interviewed the 85 year

1834
01:30:37,859 --> 01:30:35,260
old survivor the air force retrieval man

1835
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:37,869
what was his noise either way wendell

1836
01:30:43,949 --> 01:30:42,010
stevens when you leave it was he was he

1837
01:30:49,409 --> 01:30:43,959
was but he claimed he was part of that

1838
01:30:51,270 --> 01:30:49,419
crew absolutely I just have never heard

1839
01:30:55,459 --> 01:30:51,280
him talk about that before and that's

1840
01:31:04,169 --> 01:31:01,290
no you sure haven't and and even then he

1841
01:31:07,830 --> 01:31:04,179
still never broke his his word as far as

1842
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:07,840
actually breaking the breaking of the

1843
01:31:16,349 --> 01:31:11,050
secret or he just he gave me in passing

1844
01:31:18,719 --> 01:31:16,359
a landmark as as you interview

1845
01:31:21,750 --> 01:31:18,729
especially people in advanced years

1846
01:31:25,049 --> 01:31:21,760
though they get they get where they'll

1847
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:25,059
embellish the story that's normal and or

1848
01:31:29,969 --> 01:31:27,489
they get excited they kind of relive the

1849
01:31:33,569 --> 01:31:29,979
moment and and they'll mention something

1850
01:31:35,010 --> 01:31:33,579
that doesn't strike them importance but

1851
01:31:38,130 --> 01:31:35,020
from a historic stand

1852
01:31:40,590 --> 01:31:38,140
point could be very valuable and that's

1853
01:31:45,690 --> 01:31:40,600
exactly what went on either deliberate

1854
01:31:49,290 --> 01:31:45,700
or or incidental and telling me about a

1855
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:49,300
landmark because I had nothing I didn't

1856
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:51,250
know what the needle looked like for the

1857
01:32:00,660 --> 01:31:55,810
haystack okay and but that's okay

1858
01:32:03,900 --> 01:32:00,670
because it's backed by three others okay

1859
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:03,910
so this is the thing let me tell you

1860
01:32:11,100 --> 01:32:07,330
something interesting too the bus went

1861
01:32:13,790 --> 01:32:11,110
out on the bus with the scientists one

1862
01:32:16,950 --> 01:32:13,800
out everybody knows this okay

1863
01:32:18,900 --> 01:32:16,960
everybody seems to agree on this because

1864
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:18,910
they can't get around some of the basic

1865
01:32:25,830 --> 01:32:22,530
facts that are removable that on May 21

1866
01:32:29,130 --> 01:32:25,840
1953 a busload of scientists was

1867
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:29,140
dispatched from Phoenix and it did in

1868
01:32:34,740 --> 01:32:31,810
fact go to a place southeast of Kingman

1869
01:32:38,330 --> 01:32:34,750
Arizona it did not go to Kingman he went

1870
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:38,340
to a place southeast this is that place

1871
01:32:45,660 --> 01:32:41,770
the clue there was a which place is that

1872
01:32:48,150 --> 01:32:45,670
place the clue was that helped me find

1873
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:48,160
the landmark and then I know what I want

1874
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:49,570
I needed to do and where I needed to go

1875
01:32:57,120 --> 01:32:54,850
but what what the scientists didn't know

1876
01:33:00,000 --> 01:32:57,130
and the Air Force didn't know is that

1877
01:33:04,370 --> 01:33:00,010
bus was dispatch late in the late in the

1878
01:33:06,810 --> 01:33:04,380
afternoon is it 10 o'clock that morning

1879
01:33:09,450 --> 01:33:06,820
southeast have more at the Kingman UFO

1880
01:33:11,480 --> 01:33:09,460
was sitting on the ground under the

1881
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:11,490
custody of the United States Air Force

1882
01:33:16,110 --> 01:33:14,410
retrieval team and the various people

1883
01:33:19,260 --> 01:33:16,120
coming in from Camp

1884
01:33:21,750 --> 01:33:19,270
Irwin and from Nellis that also came and

1885
01:33:25,860 --> 01:33:21,760
support people and to do all of these

1886
01:33:28,470 --> 01:33:25,870
things that and the bus is gonna be on

1887
01:33:32,460 --> 01:33:28,480
the road later that same day there were

1888
01:33:35,550 --> 01:33:32,470
three men south east of where the craft

1889
01:33:38,820 --> 01:33:35,560
was down five flight minutes away from

1890
01:33:41,900 --> 01:33:38,830
where the King Manuel fussing and they

1891
01:33:45,330 --> 01:33:41,910
were out there looking at an area for

1892
01:33:47,189 --> 01:33:45,340
innocently enough for a fishing derby

1893
01:33:51,959 --> 01:33:47,199
for children

1894
01:33:54,930 --> 01:33:51,969
and they were putting stocking a pool of

1895
01:33:58,200 --> 01:33:54,940
water with some fish for the kids to

1896
01:34:01,410 --> 01:33:58,210
fish and this type of thing and one of

1897
01:34:04,709 --> 01:34:01,420
the men was a former US Air Force

1898
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:04,719
fighter pilot who I have his name and

1899
01:34:08,820 --> 01:34:06,730
all of that and I have the name of all

1900
01:34:11,100 --> 01:34:08,830
these people in their life and the or

1901
01:34:14,490 --> 01:34:11,110
they're buried when they died all of

1902
01:34:17,250 --> 01:34:14,500
these things and this man was under

1903
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:17,260
contract with us to Air Force to trained

1904
01:34:23,610 --> 01:34:19,530
fighter pilots at three air bases in

1905
01:34:26,459 --> 01:34:23,620
Arizona at that very moment he was the

1906
01:34:31,380 --> 01:34:26,469
man in charge of training fighter pilots

1907
01:34:34,260 --> 01:34:31,390
at 3-hour races in Arizona in 1953 the

1908
01:34:38,370 --> 01:34:34,270
other man with him was a pilot and a

1909
01:34:41,820 --> 01:34:38,380
business man and the third man was the

1910
01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:41,830
sports editor for the Prescott evening

1911
01:34:50,130 --> 01:34:48,370
newspaper and the pilot who was with

1912
01:34:53,729 --> 01:34:50,140
them the one who his training pilot

1913
01:34:58,610 --> 01:34:53,739
looked at and writin right between them

1914
01:35:03,000 --> 01:34:58,620
and Kingman UFO more eight UFOs saucers

1915
01:35:05,669 --> 01:35:03,010
one sitting on the left hovering and one

1916
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:05,679
on the right hovering and six in the

1917
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:08,770
middle proceeded to do aggressive

1918
01:35:16,490 --> 01:35:11,890
dogfight maneuvers they watched for over

1919
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:16,500
an hour okay they were within visual

1920
01:35:23,130 --> 01:35:20,890
sight of where one of their craft was

1921
01:35:26,490 --> 01:35:23,140
sitting on the ground from there out

1922
01:35:30,919 --> 01:35:26,500
from the altitude around and that's

1923
01:35:36,780 --> 01:35:30,929
front-page news and the Prescott paper

1924
01:35:39,090 --> 01:35:36,790
okay yeah okay or is it there is a

1925
01:35:41,400 --> 01:35:39,100
person said that not a single thing was

1926
01:35:43,580 --> 01:35:41,410
in any newspaper that they researched

1927
01:35:46,620 --> 01:35:43,590
everything within a hundred miles of

1928
01:35:48,959 --> 01:35:46,630
Kingman including in Las Vegas and

1929
01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:48,969
there's not a single word about any UFOs

1930
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:53,770
within a hundred miles or one then Las

1931
01:35:56,729 --> 01:35:55,449
Vegas Las Vegas doesn't pay attention at

1932
01:35:59,580 --> 01:35:56,739
Kingman out they didn't pay attention

1933
01:36:00,870 --> 01:35:59,590
then but but there's nothing about UFOs

1934
01:36:04,770 --> 01:36:00,880
on the paper and

1935
01:36:08,340 --> 01:36:04,780
therefore it can't be true and summed up

1936
01:36:10,260 --> 01:36:08,350
by saying and remember if the UFO crash

1937
01:36:13,439 --> 01:36:10,270
isn't in the newspaper then it didn't

1938
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:13,449
happen and I agree to a point and then I

1939
01:36:20,399 --> 01:36:15,730
disagree the rest of the way because as

1940
01:36:22,229 --> 01:36:20,409
it turns out in in May of 1953 of all

1941
01:36:24,419 --> 01:36:22,239
these newspapers this person says they

1942
01:36:26,970 --> 01:36:24,429
went through the morgues and looked at

1943
01:36:29,010 --> 01:36:26,980
every page and everything to determine

1944
01:36:31,919 --> 01:36:29,020
what the saying was accurate is that

1945
01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:31,929
first off there were only two newspapers

1946
01:36:37,979 --> 01:36:36,130
besides Kingman's in 1953 and that

1947
01:36:40,740 --> 01:36:37,989
doesn't it mean you have to put on your

1948
01:36:44,189 --> 01:36:40,750
hiking boots to go in and look at found

1949
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:44,199
newspapers at hundreds of newspaper

1950
01:36:48,959 --> 01:36:46,810
offices because it was only - and of

1951
01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:48,969
course I just told you a story that

1952
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:51,330
blows that story completely to pieces so

1953
01:36:56,669 --> 01:36:54,449
that was in Prescott you said right

1954
01:37:00,360 --> 01:36:56,679
Prescott yeah front page of Prescott

1955
01:37:03,660 --> 01:37:00,370
right which is you know and not real far

1956
01:37:06,689 --> 01:37:03,670
away from Kingman it says it says flying

1957
01:37:10,530 --> 01:37:06,699
saucers listen this flying saucers

1958
01:37:14,419 --> 01:37:10,540
returned yeah that means they're there

1959
01:37:17,939 --> 01:37:14,429
again actually what you're saying yeah

1960
01:37:19,770 --> 01:37:17,949
yeah because that's not the first time

1961
01:37:21,540 --> 01:37:19,780
and I'm not going to get off and all the

1962
01:37:27,899 --> 01:37:21,550
other times they were a press kit but

1963
01:37:31,290 --> 01:37:27,909
I'll tell you this when when they were

1964
01:37:33,930 --> 01:37:31,300
being it's like Kenneth Arnold has given

1965
01:37:37,290 --> 01:37:33,940
credit for being the first man to in

1966
01:37:39,810 --> 01:37:37,300
modern era to report UFO and they said

1967
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:39,820
he saw the nine UFOs at three o'clock

1968
01:37:50,610 --> 01:37:47,050
2:59 p.m. 3 p.m. on the 24th of June

1969
01:37:52,530 --> 01:37:50,620
1947 ok I was a Tuesday through o'clock

1970
01:37:56,550 --> 01:37:52,540
in the afternoon the guy lives the guy

1971
01:38:00,000 --> 01:37:56,560
lives in Boise utter and interestingly

1972
01:38:03,030 --> 01:38:00,010
enough was on the radio that people saw

1973
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:03,040
9 UFOs in Seattle on the morning of the

1974
01:38:08,810 --> 01:38:06,730
24th and enough time that 80-wire was

1975
01:38:14,100 --> 01:38:08,820
able to get it to major newspapers and

1976
01:38:17,580 --> 01:38:14,110
it was in the Boise newspaper

1977
01:38:19,800 --> 01:38:17,590
Kenneth Arnold ever took off to fly west

1978
01:38:23,820 --> 01:38:19,810
towards Mount Rainier or anywhere else

1979
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:23,830
and he reported it on the 25th not the

1980
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:26,010
24th and that doesn't take into account

1981
01:38:35,220 --> 01:38:30,010
that it was not just reported there but

1982
01:38:40,010 --> 01:38:35,230
it was also reported by a meteorologist

1983
01:38:42,540 --> 01:38:40,020
in Kentucky seeing UFOs on the 24th and

1984
01:38:45,990 --> 01:38:42,550
in and around that parade I've got a

1985
01:38:50,190 --> 01:38:46,000
string of other people and then I also

1986
01:38:52,070 --> 01:38:50,200
have the declared first sighting in

1987
01:38:56,340 --> 01:38:52,080
modern time

1988
01:38:58,950 --> 01:38:56,350
UFOs it predates all of this and I'm not

1989
01:39:01,020 --> 01:38:58,960
talking the old durable stuff back in

1990
01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:01,030
the 1800s you know and that kinda stuff

1991
01:39:08,540 --> 01:39:03,370
I'm talking right in around the same

1992
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:08,550
period and and Civil Air Patrol sent out

1993
01:39:14,310 --> 01:39:10,810
multiple ones seeing landing and

1994
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:14,320
crashing and flying and sheriff's

1995
01:39:20,970 --> 01:39:17,770
departments and military involved in the

1996
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:20,980
military who supposedly denied out of

1997
01:39:27,980 --> 01:39:24,090
hand at Roswell there was no such thing

1998
01:39:31,740 --> 01:39:27,990
or you know I have a copy of a formal

1999
01:39:34,260 --> 01:39:31,750
official document released by the Air

2000
01:39:36,480 --> 01:39:34,270
Force after Roswell saying the main

2001
01:39:37,080 --> 01:39:36,490
problem the Air Force has with the UFOs

2002
01:39:39,570 --> 01:39:37,090
right now

2003
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:39,580
is that they like the Air Force lacks

2004
01:39:46,620 --> 01:39:43,890
the resources to try to cover and

2005
01:39:49,080 --> 01:39:46,630
investigate them all and that they

2006
01:39:52,650 --> 01:39:49,090
acknowledge that they they exist

2007
01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:52,660
you know after Fiat claiming no such

2008
01:39:58,320 --> 01:39:55,810
thing happened at Roswell so if that's

2009
01:40:00,720 --> 01:39:58,330
another story you know and it's like I

2010
01:40:03,210 --> 01:40:00,730
have to detach myself from this because

2011
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:03,220
I have other books I'm writing you know

2012
01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:06,130
and so I have to get this out and let

2013
01:40:10,410 --> 01:40:08,530
and get people Clues information they

2014
01:40:13,850 --> 01:40:10,420
can go get this stuff or look for it

2015
01:40:16,830 --> 01:40:13,860
themselves and become you know become

2016
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:16,840
historians in their own right someone in

2017
01:40:24,210 --> 01:40:20,170
the form has an opinion an opinion

2018
01:40:27,180 --> 01:40:24,220
question for you and it goes report a

2019
01:40:27,689 --> 01:40:27,190
UFO crashes seem to occur in remote

2020
01:40:30,959 --> 01:40:27,699
locations

2021
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:30,969
do you think it is possible that this is

2022
01:40:37,050 --> 01:40:33,850
no coincidence in that the military

2023
01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:37,060
target UFO craft and remote locations

2024
01:40:45,780 --> 01:40:40,890
with an aim to bring them down covertly

2025
01:40:47,939 --> 01:40:45,790
can you say that last part again yeah no

2026
01:40:51,470 --> 01:40:47,949
I think what do they do you think that

2027
01:40:54,419 --> 01:40:51,480
the military target UFO craft and remote

2028
01:40:55,580 --> 01:40:54,429
locations with the aim to bring them

2029
01:40:59,459 --> 01:40:55,590
down

2030
01:41:01,050 --> 01:40:59,469
covert oh let me answer that this way is

2031
01:41:04,950 --> 01:41:01,060
because I want to give some people some

2032
01:41:08,729 --> 01:41:04,960
some things to hang on to her first off

2033
01:41:12,060 --> 01:41:08,739
the Kingman UFO the the first one came

2034
01:41:14,459 --> 01:41:12,070
down in the daytime not at night this

2035
01:41:16,770 --> 01:41:14,469
isn't the this isn't the Judy Wolcott

2036
01:41:19,790 --> 01:41:16,780
story that has been shared by another

2037
01:41:21,959 --> 01:41:19,800
UFO person that claims all kinds of

2038
01:41:24,630 --> 01:41:21,969
ridiculous stuff about a nervous man

2039
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:24,640
watching the crash at night 8 years

2040
01:41:29,790 --> 01:41:27,850
after the ho base was gone you know and

2041
01:41:32,970 --> 01:41:29,800
it's like couldn't been an airman there

2042
01:41:36,090 --> 01:41:32,980
the airbase was closed the tower was

2043
01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:36,100
shut down and and all of these other

2044
01:41:40,490 --> 01:41:38,050
things and her husband died in Vietnam

2045
01:41:43,110 --> 01:41:40,500
and he had the papers to prove it

2046
01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:43,120
bla bla bla anyway that's all baloney

2047
01:41:49,650 --> 01:41:47,170
and basically what we're talking about

2048
01:41:51,959 --> 01:41:49,660
here is the craft came down something

2049
01:41:54,360 --> 01:41:51,969
interfere with its propulsion or its

2050
01:41:56,880 --> 01:41:54,370
navigation system or it may the crew

2051
01:42:00,689 --> 01:41:56,890
dizzy I haven't any idea like flying

2052
01:42:03,500 --> 01:42:00,699
through three triangulated overpowered

2053
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:03,510
radar systems that were firing off

2054
01:42:09,330 --> 01:42:06,090
short-pulse

2055
01:42:11,340 --> 01:42:09,340
modulating frequency radar used systems

2056
01:42:12,959 --> 01:42:11,350
they didn't have any frequency locks so

2057
01:42:15,510 --> 01:42:12,969
even the Air Force didn't know what they

2058
01:42:18,180 --> 01:42:15,520
were doing well this stuff and they

2059
01:42:20,790 --> 01:42:18,190
likely killed every one of the operators

2060
01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:20,800
and technicians and I can't I've tried

2061
01:42:26,850 --> 01:42:24,489
to determine that those people died from

2062
01:42:30,450 --> 01:42:26,860
brain tumors because of the radiation

2063
01:42:32,850 --> 01:42:30,460
fallout here or if it's from running the

2064
01:42:35,459 --> 01:42:32,860
overpowered radar because the back and

2065
01:42:37,470 --> 01:42:35,469
side lobe leakage was horrendous so they

2066
01:42:39,810 --> 01:42:37,480
were basically committing suicide but

2067
01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:39,820
anyway the craft went down it was

2068
01:42:44,190 --> 01:42:41,290
pristine the

2069
01:42:46,050 --> 01:42:44,200
true would pass you on the sidewalk all

2070
01:42:48,120 --> 01:42:46,060
you would notice there light didn't they

2071
01:42:50,670 --> 01:42:48,130
were lightly built there four and a half

2072
01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:50,680
to five feet tall they have closed crop

2073
01:42:57,690 --> 01:42:53,770
sandy-colored hair their faces are a

2074
01:43:00,870 --> 01:42:57,700
little wider like they're from maybe

2075
01:43:04,140 --> 01:43:00,880
Siberia or someplace like that but or

2076
01:43:07,170 --> 01:43:04,150
Asian where some some people have a

2077
01:43:10,010 --> 01:43:07,180
lighter across from the job on are the

2078
01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:10,020
cheekbones I'm sorry the cheekbones but

2079
01:43:17,370 --> 01:43:14,050
perfectly normal and that's the the

2080
01:43:21,750 --> 01:43:17,380
witness when he told me this and he saw

2081
01:43:23,820 --> 01:43:21,760
them he said and I said well what would

2082
01:43:27,690 --> 01:43:23,830
they look like and he said they were

2083
01:43:31,950 --> 01:43:27,700
human and he was still shocked because

2084
01:43:33,750 --> 01:43:31,960
they look like us and and so I'm finding

2085
01:43:37,950 --> 01:43:33,760
out later there's all kinds of early

2086
01:43:40,650 --> 01:43:37,960
reports where the occupants of the crown

2087
01:43:45,030 --> 01:43:40,660
are humanoid you know they're not

2088
01:43:47,910 --> 01:43:45,040
reptilian they're not Giants or anything

2089
01:43:50,160 --> 01:43:47,920
else and these crafts you you'd have to

2090
01:43:55,050 --> 01:43:50,170
figure out how you'd have room for some

2091
01:43:57,990 --> 01:43:55,060
something a trudeau but it was taken out

2092
01:44:00,690 --> 01:43:58,000
if you're under cover of darkness it

2093
01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:00,700
didn't go down any highways and went

2094
01:44:06,450 --> 01:44:03,370
right I'm not gonna say we went across

2095
01:44:09,300 --> 01:44:06,460
the desert okay it's better than the

2096
01:44:10,500 --> 01:44:09,310
highways there's no curse you just

2097
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:10,510
crossed the desert and watch out for

2098
01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:14,050
washers that's it and they popped out on

2099
01:44:19,950 --> 01:44:17,610
93 just a few miles south of Hoover Dam

2100
01:44:23,370 --> 01:44:19,960
Army Corps of Engineers was there with

2101
01:44:26,610 --> 01:44:23,380
the barge the the m25 drove right on it

2102
01:44:29,130 --> 01:44:26,620
with the craft that was the end of the

2103
01:44:32,550 --> 01:44:29,140
retrieval teams work in connection with

2104
01:44:35,190 --> 01:44:32,560
that that craft it was handed off they

2105
01:44:37,950 --> 01:44:35,200
came back just in time to start recovery

2106
01:44:40,220 --> 01:44:37,960
on the Red Lake crash okay because it

2107
01:44:45,780 --> 01:44:40,230
happened as they were coming back and

2108
01:44:50,430 --> 01:44:45,790
and the craft that went up there is the

2109
01:44:54,910 --> 01:44:50,440
UFO the entire area 51 story is based on

2110
01:44:56,470 --> 01:44:54,920
four your thighs that's it it wasn't

2111
01:44:59,560 --> 01:44:56,480
torn to shreds if there was any

2112
01:45:03,310 --> 01:44:59,570
back-engineering which is claimed and I

2113
01:45:04,780 --> 01:45:03,320
have some of that energy set then it

2114
01:45:10,270 --> 01:45:04,790
would come from that one not from a

2115
01:45:13,060 --> 01:45:10,280
junkie right right well now there was

2116
01:45:15,370 --> 01:45:13,070
talk about some possible physical

2117
01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:15,380
evidence had a did you ever look into

2118
01:45:22,030 --> 01:45:17,410
that part of it

2119
01:45:24,150 --> 01:45:22,040
yes I have some okay can also have part

2120
01:45:26,200 --> 01:45:24,160
of a p39 sitting here in my office

2121
01:45:28,480 --> 01:45:26,210
nobody could find anything over a

2122
01:45:30,310 --> 01:45:28,490
thousand people went out you know arm to

2123
01:45:32,430 --> 01:45:30,320
arm that was in 1997 front page

2124
01:45:36,820 --> 01:45:32,440
newspaper to go out and find were a

2125
01:45:40,510 --> 01:45:36,830
piece Airacobra p39 I was doing a mock

2126
01:45:44,140 --> 01:45:40,520
Pete me-109 attack on a b-17 bomber crew

2127
01:45:47,830 --> 01:45:44,150
teaching side Gunners how to handle the

2128
01:45:49,870 --> 01:45:47,840
German murderous myths and the pilot had

2129
01:45:53,740 --> 01:45:49,880
been flying a p38 which is a twin-engine

2130
01:45:55,750 --> 01:45:53,750
twin boom twin tail highly maneuverable

2131
01:45:59,230 --> 01:45:55,760
aircraft and he pulled back on the stick

2132
01:46:01,900 --> 01:45:59,240
because he made a machine gun run Mach

2133
01:46:04,120 --> 01:46:01,910
machine gun run on the bomber and when

2134
01:46:06,610 --> 01:46:04,130
he pulled back the plane didn't pull

2135
01:46:08,890 --> 01:46:06,620
back and it cut part of the wing off the

2136
01:46:11,710 --> 01:46:08,900
bomber and the bomber rolled over on its

2137
01:46:14,620 --> 01:46:11,720
back and it flew one mile and then

2138
01:46:17,830 --> 01:46:14,630
orbited the ground and killed 15 crew

2139
01:46:21,670 --> 01:46:17,840
members and the p39 went straight in and

2140
01:46:24,700 --> 01:46:21,680
hit us hit us a hill that's kind of rest

2141
01:46:26,530 --> 01:46:24,710
- like a l-shaped hill one side of its

2142
01:46:30,430 --> 01:46:26,540
pure quartz and the other side is

2143
01:46:33,940 --> 01:46:30,440
lodestone false fooled go magnetic ok

2144
01:46:37,090 --> 01:46:33,950
and a thousand people over a thousand

2145
01:46:39,160 --> 01:46:37,100
people were taken out in 1997 one arm

2146
01:46:42,160 --> 01:46:39,170
length apart and they swept the whole

2147
01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:42,170
area looking for any parts the Air Force

2148
01:46:46,150 --> 01:46:44,090
Army Air Corps it may have missed they

2149
01:46:49,810 --> 01:46:46,160
found nothing I have a cockpit brace

2150
01:46:53,140 --> 01:46:49,820
from from the pilots cockpit from that

2151
01:46:54,640 --> 01:46:53,150
aircraft because I'm used to doing this

2152
01:46:58,270 --> 01:46:54,650
stuff and I see things that are right

2153
01:46:59,140 --> 01:46:58,280
and but they did find in 1997 they did

2154
01:47:01,330 --> 01:46:59,150
find dog tags

2155
01:47:03,610 --> 01:47:01,340
from where the bomber went down but I

2156
01:47:07,180 --> 01:47:03,620
didn't go over there because this was

2157
01:47:08,819 --> 01:47:07,190
one mile away from where the king or the

2158
01:47:13,049 --> 01:47:08,829
Red Lake craft went down

2159
01:47:15,209 --> 01:47:13,059
and that's why and the curator aviation

2160
01:47:16,950 --> 01:47:15,219
curator who had looked for 20 years for

2161
01:47:18,959 --> 01:47:16,960
the Redlich crash mentioned it

2162
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:18,969
scratchers it will take me there because

2163
01:47:22,410 --> 01:47:20,530
I can reground terrain if I can see

2164
01:47:25,049 --> 01:47:22,420
anything I'll be able to find something

2165
01:47:28,140 --> 01:47:25,059
if there's anything and I didn't miss

2166
01:47:31,470 --> 01:47:28,150
your you know so and I have Seth from I

2167
01:47:34,609 --> 01:47:31,480
have items from the landing site and

2168
01:47:37,500 --> 01:47:34,619
right with a right where the crafts at

2169
01:47:38,399 --> 01:47:37,510
background radiation is about five times

2170
01:47:41,729 --> 01:47:38,409
above normal

2171
01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:41,739
very carefully I'm saying it's about

2172
01:47:47,609 --> 01:47:44,610
five times normal background radiation

2173
01:47:49,890 --> 01:47:47,619
when the director of MUFON for the state

2174
01:47:52,799 --> 01:47:49,900
of Pennsylvania said I said it was high

2175
01:47:54,990 --> 01:47:52,809
very high radiation no I'm telling us

2176
01:47:56,700 --> 01:47:55,000
about five times the back normal

2177
01:47:59,760 --> 01:47:56,710
background which can run anywhere from

2178
01:48:02,609 --> 01:47:59,770
twelve to sixteen microservice you know

2179
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:02,619
it's like that's what when you go

2180
01:48:07,080 --> 01:48:05,290
outside in a normal day with nobody

2181
01:48:09,209 --> 01:48:07,090
setting any bombs off the atmosphere

2182
01:48:11,339 --> 01:48:09,219
that's the background radiation way up

2183
01:48:14,430 --> 01:48:11,349
now it's usually fourteen to sixteen

2184
01:48:17,669 --> 01:48:14,440
used to be twelve there's you know with

2185
01:48:20,220 --> 01:48:17,679
we've polluted Korea does stuff that

2186
01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:20,230
North Korea that leaks and their kind of

2187
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:22,690
thing this all has an impact because the

2188
01:48:28,109 --> 01:48:25,690
planet rotates and things are taken up

2189
01:48:31,350 --> 01:48:28,119
and they and they come back down in the

2190
01:48:34,620 --> 01:48:31,360
form of rain or dust and whatever so

2191
01:48:38,129 --> 01:48:34,630
they're so in six feet away there's not

2192
01:48:40,680 --> 01:48:38,139
it's normal you know so and but you can

2193
01:48:43,919 --> 01:48:40,690
see it and I can see anybody can see and

2194
01:48:46,319 --> 01:48:43,929
the Camerons engineer could see this is

2195
01:48:49,169 --> 01:48:46,329
where the bus park yeah it parked

2196
01:48:51,390 --> 01:48:49,179
exactly fifty feet and the craft and

2197
01:48:54,120 --> 01:48:51,400
that's where this cutaway is it's for

2198
01:48:55,530 --> 01:48:54,130
the bus and the and the scientists on

2199
01:48:57,450 --> 01:48:55,540
board the bus sat on the bus and

2200
01:49:00,899 --> 01:48:57,460
military police connect the door and as

2201
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:00,909
a guy a military policeman with a roster

2202
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:03,610
and he calls a name that scientist gets

2203
01:49:08,370 --> 01:49:05,770
out of the bus he walk walks down the

2204
01:49:11,939 --> 01:49:08,380
aisle and gets out and he's escorted by

2205
01:49:15,689 --> 01:49:11,949
an MP to exactly the place of his

2206
01:49:18,810 --> 01:49:15,699
expertise to examine on the craft make a

2207
01:49:22,620 --> 01:49:18,820
report you got 20 minutes make a report

2208
01:49:25,130 --> 01:49:22,630
and that whole busload was reloaded and

2209
01:49:29,460 --> 01:49:25,140
the way back to Phoenix within one hour

2210
01:49:33,630 --> 01:49:29,470
okay they do not take they did not then

2211
01:49:35,430 --> 01:49:33,640
take bus loads of scientists several

2212
01:49:37,770 --> 01:49:35,440
hundred miles away from a place out in

2213
01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:37,780
the boondocks to look at something

2214
01:49:42,690 --> 01:49:39,850
that's pristine that they would have put

2215
01:49:45,060 --> 01:49:42,700
in a hammer if it's a super secret

2216
01:49:49,710 --> 01:49:45,070
airplane you know this thing wasn't

2217
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:49,720
busted at so but nobody inspected the

2218
01:49:55,410 --> 01:49:52,810
one that hit the Butte the Air Force was

2219
01:49:58,710 --> 01:49:55,420
there they swept the area twice to get

2220
01:50:01,170 --> 01:49:58,720
all the debris bottom rock and the Ceph

2221
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:01,180
the Air Force left right there is still

2222
01:50:05,070 --> 01:50:02,890
there there's bottom rock in the middle

2223
01:50:07,110 --> 01:50:05,080
of flat desert where they dug down to

2224
01:50:08,970 --> 01:50:07,120
get the rest of the pieces of the craft

2225
01:50:11,880 --> 01:50:08,980
that had been ordered into the ground

2226
01:50:14,520 --> 01:50:11,890
you see the skid mark erosion hasn't

2227
01:50:16,290 --> 01:50:14,530
done any big damage there that's we

2228
01:50:20,610 --> 01:50:16,300
don't get a lot of rain here that's why

2229
01:50:22,860 --> 01:50:20,620
they call it a desert okay and so here's

2230
01:50:24,570 --> 01:50:22,870
all this bottom rock and so there's

2231
01:50:26,910 --> 01:50:24,580
parts there and and there aren't some

2232
01:50:27,870 --> 01:50:26,920
people with some things that they're not

2233
01:50:29,670 --> 01:50:27,880
going to share them with anybody

2234
01:50:31,650 --> 01:50:29,680
including me and I don't blame them

2235
01:50:33,810 --> 01:50:31,660
that's it you know they had it in the

2236
01:50:36,690 --> 01:50:33,820
family a long time but if you go to talk

2237
01:50:38,250 --> 01:50:36,700
to them they don't know anything if

2238
01:50:41,310 --> 01:50:38,260
you're an outsider if they don't know

2239
01:50:43,590 --> 01:50:41,320
anything and and they really don't like

2240
01:50:46,040 --> 01:50:43,600
that kind of attention and that's a

2241
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:46,050
family now when you said you had

2242
01:50:53,550 --> 01:50:50,410
evidence yourself did you mean of the

2243
01:50:59,790 --> 01:50:53,560
supposed craft or or the other site you

2244
01:51:04,110 --> 01:50:59,800
were talking about well I have I have

2245
01:51:06,450 --> 01:51:04,120
some evidence from both places okay well

2246
01:51:07,590 --> 01:51:06,460
can you describe what the evidence is of

2247
01:51:10,500 --> 01:51:07,600
where the crash happened

2248
01:51:15,150 --> 01:51:10,510
no not now not before I release anything

2249
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:15,160
nope okay well well thank you we're

2250
01:51:23,270 --> 01:51:17,650
we're out of time here I appreciate it

2251
01:51:25,770 --> 01:51:23,280
and that's it for the show thank you

2252
01:51:27,480 --> 01:51:25,780
well thank you very much I hope you have

2253
01:51:30,750 --> 01:51:27,490
a very productive and prosperous and

2254
01:51:33,660 --> 01:51:30,760
healthy New Year and I think for your

2255
01:51:35,700 --> 01:51:33,670
time and I hope people will take an

2256
01:51:36,930 --> 01:51:35,710
interest in this when when I release it

2257
01:51:39,510 --> 01:51:36,940
was you're probably

2258
01:51:43,020 --> 01:51:39,520
mitr later in the year as far as the

2259
01:51:45,270 --> 01:51:43,030
pocketbook okay and your website is your

2260
01:51:49,589 --> 01:51:45,280
name right no it's not my wedding crash

2261
01:51:54,629 --> 01:51:49,599
right yes ww Cayman UFO crash is calm

2262
01:51:57,870 --> 01:51:54,639
and the name of the new book and what

2263
01:52:01,350 --> 01:51:57,880
follows is seven days in May the Kingman

2264
01:52:02,339 --> 01:52:01,360
your first story very good okay thank

2265
01:52:06,260 --> 01:52:02,349
you very much

2266
01:52:13,530 --> 01:52:10,649
alright everyone so we just ending that

2267
01:52:17,250 --> 01:52:13,540
a little bit early

2268
01:52:22,740 --> 01:52:17,260
thank you live listeners for hanging in

2269
01:52:25,080 --> 01:52:22,750
there and next week the guest is not has

2270
01:52:28,080 --> 01:52:25,090
not confirmed so I'm not going to

2271
01:52:31,169 --> 01:52:28,090
announce it but anyway it should be

2272
01:52:34,439 --> 01:52:31,179
posted on our website podcast UFO calm

2273
01:52:38,850 --> 01:52:34,449
on Sunday thanks so much for listening

2274
01:52:41,459 --> 01:52:38,860
and we'll see you next week this is

2275
01:53:05,490 --> 01:52:41,469
Martin Willis and remember to keep your